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That definitely sounds, again, like the steady off and on again tapping I'd heard before...But I think on the video... it just sounds a lil more high pitch. If you don't hear the same thing through the EGR pipe while it was doing that... I guess maybe it's something all together different..... Seems to be around 4-5 beats per second....
Also, while the 3.0 is 800rpm(right?)..... i'm not sure you can go by the tach..... It may be off, cuz that seems more like 1000rpm or so to me. Maybe some other 3.0-dudes can tell ya what they think on that one. I REALLY need to get a quality tach/timing light! lol.
I'd mentioned and spoke about the wrist pins to ya.... But I was surprised, pleasantly to be honest, that the mechanic seemed to not get defensive and gave you an in to tearing it down again to make it right.
Honestly... I really don't understand the level of bearing damage(which sounds like it spun a rod or main bearing) without taking the crank to a 10-10, or something, like I'd said.... BUT, it sounds like he sent it off to be inspected and the crank shop decided it only needed a polish? Just seems unusual to me is all, I guess. But it could EASILY explain a lot of the noise/oiling issues/oiling consumption.
That said, ... I had no idea you were consuming oil... I though you'd said it wasn't consuming any at all. Just to make sure I understand... you found a measurable amount of oil had vanished between oil changes?(how much, how many miles?... it can be very telling, especially since you're not visibly smoking, etc.).
What I can tell you, personally, is that I WOULD not hesitate, if it's using oil, to drop it right back off with him, Richard... It's not likely that an additive is going to 'resolve' anything pertaining to rod knock and it certainly wont fix a wrist pin that's come loose/etc. Even a lifter needing a shim, etc..... It's all stuff that would need to eventually get formerly addressed, hands on, ya know? I just hope, that if it IS something more than just a sticky doohicky.... it doesn't get left to cause more damage than it needs to... Like if there's too much play on one of the bearings due to wear of the previous ones into the crank(which could at LEAST require the crank to come back out, have a turning and then obviously need another set of appropriate bearings at 10-10/10-20/20-30, whatever)... All those things would likely end up costing you in labor/time having to wait.. even if he did cover parts that it might need.
Also, you had said something to me about a piston being fuggered..... Can you remember the details of that, just for reference?
Sorry you're dealing with this right now, Richard.. I really am.. I am definitely one of many who can relate, ya know?
Also, while the 3.0 is 800rpm(right?)..... i'm not sure you can go by the tach..... It may be off, cuz that seems more like 1000rpm or so to me. Maybe some other 3.0-dudes can tell ya what they think on that one. I REALLY need to get a quality tach/timing light! lol.
I'd mentioned and spoke about the wrist pins to ya.... But I was surprised, pleasantly to be honest, that the mechanic seemed to not get defensive and gave you an in to tearing it down again to make it right.
Honestly... I really don't understand the level of bearing damage(which sounds like it spun a rod or main bearing) without taking the crank to a 10-10, or something, like I'd said.... BUT, it sounds like he sent it off to be inspected and the crank shop decided it only needed a polish? Just seems unusual to me is all, I guess. But it could EASILY explain a lot of the noise/oiling issues/oiling consumption.
That said, ... I had no idea you were consuming oil... I though you'd said it wasn't consuming any at all. Just to make sure I understand... you found a measurable amount of oil had vanished between oil changes?(how much, how many miles?... it can be very telling, especially since you're not visibly smoking, etc.).
What I can tell you, personally, is that I WOULD not hesitate, if it's using oil, to drop it right back off with him, Richard... It's not likely that an additive is going to 'resolve' anything pertaining to rod knock and it certainly wont fix a wrist pin that's come loose/etc. Even a lifter needing a shim, etc..... It's all stuff that would need to eventually get formerly addressed, hands on, ya know? I just hope, that if it IS something more than just a sticky doohicky.... it doesn't get left to cause more damage than it needs to... Like if there's too much play on one of the bearings due to wear of the previous ones into the crank(which could at LEAST require the crank to come back out, have a turning and then obviously need another set of appropriate bearings at 10-10/10-20/20-30, whatever)... All those things would likely end up costing you in labor/time having to wait.. even if he did cover parts that it might need.
Also, you had said something to me about a piston being fuggered..... Can you remember the details of that, just for reference?
Sorry you're dealing with this right now, Richard.. I really am.. I am definitely one of many who can relate, ya know?
Oh no no no. My truck isn't consuming any oil. My Car is, the Corolla. I think I specified "car" in my 2nd paragraph on my last post. This is what I posted, "I asked for the day off today so i could get a jump start on my weekend and find out the problem to my truck and my oil consumption problem on my car." It looks like its coming from my valve cover seal or Gasket. But that's completely apart from my truck bro. yea get that out of your head before u make people think I got a leak on the truck too ha ha ha.
Now back to the truck. Yes normal RPMs are about 800. And I think it probably sounds like its running a bit high is because I had just started the truck when I was recording so it probably hadn't idled down yet.
Now back to the truck. Yes normal RPMs are about 800. And I think it probably sounds like its running a bit high is because I had just started the truck when I was recording so it probably hadn't idled down yet.
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All this "stethoscope" talk made me go out and buy one this morning! 
$3.99 at HF.
If the wrist pins are suspect, did the mechanic put in a complete piston set w/rings & wrist pins? Did he hone the area in the rod where the pistons slip through?
$3.99 at HF.If the wrist pins are suspect, did the mechanic put in a complete piston set w/rings & wrist pins? Did he hone the area in the rod where the pistons slip through?
Alright guys, since my truck makes the mose noise in the mornings when it has sat over night i figured i show you guys exactly what i mean. the last video was ok. But you can definitely hear that metal on metal noise,scratching w/e it is so much more clearer on this video here. BTW you hear it more on the passenger side like you had suspected mark! ANY BTW, nevermind those oil spots in the front of my truck.
Take a listen.
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Greg, i do remember him having to hone the cylinders, or one, im not too sure. But i gotta head out to the auto store again to get the valve cover gasket for my Corolla. So when im there i'll ask these guys what exactly got done as far as the pistons goes. Then ill be able to give you a better answer.
Take a listen.
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Greg, i do remember him having to hone the cylinders, or one, im not too sure. But i gotta head out to the auto store again to get the valve cover gasket for my Corolla. So when im there i'll ask these guys what exactly got done as far as the pistons goes. Then ill be able to give you a better answer.
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Yeah, ...... "WTH" on that 'zzzeeent.........zzzzzzzzzeeeeeeent.........zzzee nt.......zzzzeeent....zzzzzzzzzzzzeeent' noise, eh? I assume that's what you've been wanting us/the mechanics to hear, what you're calling a 'scratching' noise, right? Wow, that could be LOTS of things.........I'm curious to see what the other 3VZE'ers think/or if they've heard it in their rigs. That REALLLLLY SOUNDS to me like a roller bearing or something.... Honestly? IT TOTALLY sounds like a Toyota Horn from a distance..... like if you took a horn and just BARELY made contact, causing it to JUST BARELY squeak out a cry? (NOT SAYING IT EVEN COULD BE the horn, lol... Just saying what that sounds like to me at that point where it's revealing itself the longest).......
Dang, ...really sounds like a smaller roller bearing like an idler or power steering pump, water pump, some type of pulley bearing in the timing cover, or the like............
Remember when I got you to have a listen to the power steering pump? It REEEEEEALLY sounded similar to that, didn't it? Forget that it's new... I got 2 bad pumps in a row from the parts store... Not 'LIKELY' to be your issue or anything.., but worth checking with the stethoscope again, WHEN IT'S DOING IT, right?
When my brand new/bad pump I got acted up.... it was making an intermittent 'zzzzzeeeeeent' type noise. My IDLER BEARING WAS TOO! ( Anyhow, lemme tell ya... IT DID NOT, standing above the motor, sound like that's where it was coming from.) Next time it does it, give it a listen.(Put the stethoscope to the power steering pump body and even around the timing cover quickly just to rule out something in there like water pump.).... Seems to me, if it's only doing it when cold.... it would be more likely to have something to do with the viscosity of SOME fluid or another, maybe? (Does the 3VZE have a type of idler bearing? IIRC it doesn't.... the whole pump slides on an adjuster pivot, right? .... Only pulley related to pump is ON the pump, right? .... I'd at least check that)
DOES IT EVENTUALLY GO AWAY, after warming up? Does it sometimes return after having been running for a while?
This is a video from Youtube.... Sounds similar to the 'knocking' we heard... But maybe this one's a lil louder/different camera? NO update as to a resolution/diagnosis though... HATE THAT! lol >>>>
Another video with a 3VZE with leaky valve cova's(you'll see)... But anyway, .... this one sounds like valve clatter to me, far more than yours........
Talk about ODD 3VZE noises... check this out!
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PS> Far as the knocking/rapping/whatever sound we heard through the EGR that night... Something MAYBE to consider?....... You don't seem to have any serious 'MISSING' or 'backfire' or 'misfire'..... nothing like that. Aside from the noises... it sounds pretty smooth running.. And I'd guess that the timing is right, etc... So with a sticky lifter/needing a shim, etc., ... wouldn't there be more of a miss? The bottom end problems I've had with most motors haven't caused any real 'misfire' type symptoms.... YES, like with yours, I could 'FEEL' the fluctuation/vibration/even knock, to some degree... but with top end stuff like a bad CAM or stuck valve or even an intermittently firing injector, you feel a VERY noticeable miss. The only 'variable' thing I feel in your rig when leaning on it is that almost 'hummmmming vibration', ya know? Do you agree, Richard?
PSS> Does the Corolla have a PCV valve? Grab one of those too while you're at it... Very common for non working PCV's to cause Vcover blow outs, ya know? (no where for all that crank case pressure to go). Nice running lil car, btw, Richard
Dang, ...really sounds like a smaller roller bearing like an idler or power steering pump, water pump, some type of pulley bearing in the timing cover, or the like............
Remember when I got you to have a listen to the power steering pump? It REEEEEEALLY sounded similar to that, didn't it? Forget that it's new... I got 2 bad pumps in a row from the parts store... Not 'LIKELY' to be your issue or anything.., but worth checking with the stethoscope again, WHEN IT'S DOING IT, right?
When my brand new/bad pump I got acted up.... it was making an intermittent 'zzzzzeeeeeent' type noise. My IDLER BEARING WAS TOO! ( Anyhow, lemme tell ya... IT DID NOT, standing above the motor, sound like that's where it was coming from.) Next time it does it, give it a listen.(Put the stethoscope to the power steering pump body and even around the timing cover quickly just to rule out something in there like water pump.).... Seems to me, if it's only doing it when cold.... it would be more likely to have something to do with the viscosity of SOME fluid or another, maybe? (Does the 3VZE have a type of idler bearing? IIRC it doesn't.... the whole pump slides on an adjuster pivot, right? .... Only pulley related to pump is ON the pump, right? .... I'd at least check that)DOES IT EVENTUALLY GO AWAY, after warming up? Does it sometimes return after having been running for a while?
This is a video from Youtube.... Sounds similar to the 'knocking' we heard... But maybe this one's a lil louder/different camera? NO update as to a resolution/diagnosis though... HATE THAT! lol >>>>
Another video with a 3VZE with leaky valve cova's(you'll see)... But anyway, .... this one sounds like valve clatter to me, far more than yours........
Talk about ODD 3VZE noises... check this out!
.... PS> Far as the knocking/rapping/whatever sound we heard through the EGR that night... Something MAYBE to consider?....... You don't seem to have any serious 'MISSING' or 'backfire' or 'misfire'..... nothing like that. Aside from the noises... it sounds pretty smooth running.. And I'd guess that the timing is right, etc... So with a sticky lifter/needing a shim, etc., ... wouldn't there be more of a miss? The bottom end problems I've had with most motors haven't caused any real 'misfire' type symptoms.... YES, like with yours, I could 'FEEL' the fluctuation/vibration/even knock, to some degree... but with top end stuff like a bad CAM or stuck valve or even an intermittently firing injector, you feel a VERY noticeable miss. The only 'variable' thing I feel in your rig when leaning on it is that almost 'hummmmming vibration', ya know? Do you agree, Richard?
PSS> Does the Corolla have a PCV valve? Grab one of those too while you're at it... Very common for non working PCV's to cause Vcover blow outs, ya know? (no where for all that crank case pressure to go). Nice running lil car, btw, Richard
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PSSS> My daughter's new to her Honda Accord Wagon needs a couple things... Might hit the "SMALL" yard... It would help to see a pic of whatever it is you're looking for on those 'hoses' for the 3.0? I just don't know what you're talking about... I would have to see it. I say this cuz there's a 91 that just got there the day before yesterday... MAYBE would be fresh enough to have those pipes, maybe not(they seem to be often missing, like they commonly break?).... ??? (Just in case I do go, I'd gladly grab things for ya, you know that)
Yea sure thing thanks for offering Mark.
Heres what I need. Click on it, its a video.
http://static.photobucket.com/player.../VIDEO0035.mp4
Heres what I need. Click on it, its a video.
http://static.photobucket.com/player.../VIDEO0035.mp4
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Hey man..... Just thought I'd throw a BTW atcha............ >>>
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Outside-...fc7139&vxp=mtr
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Outside-...fc7139&vxp=mtr
http://www.autobodypartswholesale.co...er=4&liter=1.8
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Yo, ... you still kickin? hahahaha....
Just messin........
Just was gonna say... I'll GLADLY keep an eye out for those hoses IF I can get over there... No problem But, ....IMHO, ...I think you're better off with new, man. Vacuum leaks are VERY much a PITA, and hard, old brittle vacuum line can also collapse in spots on the inside and let debris into things where they don't belong. I went OEM with 4 IACV and top of Valve Cover lines.... Think it was 30$ all together? 18$ just for one big IACV line... Cuz it was tapered to diff. size ID's on each end and 4 bends in it, etc.... Just an odd hose, lol....
Anyway, OR, you could stop by the parts store for free and at least have a look, ya know? They have all kinds of angled hose and such that would probably work fine if, ya know? Worth a look, at least for maybe one of them?
Try www.toyotapartszone.com and see what they want for them/maybe the bigger one or more angled one/tapered one, etc., ya know?
Take care, Richard..... Have a good'n.... Not as hot today, eh?
Just messin........
Just was gonna say... I'll GLADLY keep an eye out for those hoses IF I can get over there... No problem
But, ....IMHO, ...I think you're better off with new, man. Vacuum leaks are VERY much a PITA, and hard, old brittle vacuum line can also collapse in spots on the inside and let debris into things where they don't belong. I went OEM with 4 IACV and top of Valve Cover lines.... Think it was 30$ all together? 18$ just for one big IACV line... Cuz it was tapered to diff. size ID's on each end and 4 bends in it, etc.... Just an odd hose, lol.... Anyway, OR, you could stop by the parts store for free and at least have a look, ya know? They have all kinds of angled hose and such that would probably work fine if, ya know? Worth a look, at least for maybe one of them?
Try www.toyotapartszone.com and see what they want for them/maybe the bigger one or more angled one/tapered one, etc., ya know?
Take care, Richard..... Have a good'n.... Not as hot today, eh?
Alright guys havent given any updates at all in 5 days so i thought I'd type some stuff up.
Friday as you guys know i did an Engine Flush, 10/40 oil change and Motor Purr Additive. Here's is the part that made me pull my hair out. Saturday when installing the valve cover gasket on my toyota corolla, the gasket must have moved slightly(maybe 1-2mm when i was putting the cover on and when tightening the bolts it got smashed toward the back where i couldnt see. I drove the car around that night and when i returned back home i noticed i had a bit of steam coming out of my engine bay so i parked the car and popped the hood only to discover that the whole rear of the engine was soaked in oil. It turned out i had lost 1/4 of my motor oil. I tried cleaning up the mess as best as i could with a rag but there was a big mess. I still have to clean it up some more i havent gotten around to doing a better job yet. But while i was cleaning up the oily mess my arm touched the head cover. and left its mark on my arm. Only reason why i realized i had burnt my arm was because i heard my arm sizzling. Then i pulled it off the head cover and felt the sting(darn).
This was about 3am in the morning saturday morning. When i woke up opened up that valve cover and seen that my gasket literally had a slit which is when i understood that thats where i had pinched it when putting it on. So i went to an auto store and bought a new gasket and refilled the oil, and changed the spark plugs while i was at it. Turns out the last few places i had gone to do a tune up at didnt end up changing my spark plugs. I found alot of corrosion. They looked really really old and burnt. Pissed me off so bad. Exactly the reason why i am learning how to do all this motor work and maintainence myself. So i can save money and not get ripped off! URGH that made me so mad to discover that.
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Now about my truck. The Ticking noise has seemed to have either gone away or just quieted down because i havent heared it at all and i drove the truck around all weekend.
BUT, there was that other noise in the last video i posed up in my previous post.
I'll re post it again here:
Now FINALLY when i took it to my girls uncles shop to pick up the car's gasket the guys heard the noise themselves in person. They said they think it might be a bearing or my clutch. I honestly dont understand this stuff but they said that it sounds like a spinning kind of a sound. i dont know for sure. but i still havent been able to pin point where exactly the sound is coming from quite yet but i know i will.
MARK i bougth you a new stethoscope. Apparently one of your earbuds on those super unconfortable ones was loose and came off. I know it has to be somewhere in my truck under a seat or something but i just went ahead and bought you some instead. so sorry for loosing the earbud. Hope the ones you lent me didnt have any sentimental value of any sort lol
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Now i know you guys have all been asking me what exactly was done to the engine. So as far as the things that were done when the mechanic had worked on my motor this is everything that got done. I asked them to write me out a list of what was done again cuz i couldnt remember.
Stuff that got machined:
Cylinders Honed, Crankshaft Polished, Cylinder Hears(valveJob)
Replaced on the Block:
Piston Rings, Rod Bearings, Main Bearings, Thrust washers, Freeze Plugs, Full Set of Gaskets, All timing(bearings and tensioners and adjuster), Water pump, fan bracket, all hoses/belts, spark plugs. PowerSteering Pump/pressurehose/return hose)
So when i spoke to them they said it wasnt a rebuild like i have been calling it over and over throughout my build. told me it might as well have been rebuilt but it wasnt. Ther was just alot of stuff that was done to it and alot of extra stuff that was done to it because originally the mechanic was only gonna fix the heads and head gaskets, but upon doing that job he found problems after problems after problems so we took a different route and added on to his "fix-it" list.
I hope i got everything covered in this post. sorry it was so long. I'm gonna reread everything right now. hopefully my grammer and spelling wasnt too bad. i was typing this on and off over the coarse of 2 hours lol.
Friday as you guys know i did an Engine Flush, 10/40 oil change and Motor Purr Additive. Here's is the part that made me pull my hair out. Saturday when installing the valve cover gasket on my toyota corolla, the gasket must have moved slightly(maybe 1-2mm when i was putting the cover on and when tightening the bolts it got smashed toward the back where i couldnt see. I drove the car around that night and when i returned back home i noticed i had a bit of steam coming out of my engine bay so i parked the car and popped the hood only to discover that the whole rear of the engine was soaked in oil. It turned out i had lost 1/4 of my motor oil. I tried cleaning up the mess as best as i could with a rag but there was a big mess. I still have to clean it up some more i havent gotten around to doing a better job yet. But while i was cleaning up the oily mess my arm touched the head cover. and left its mark on my arm. Only reason why i realized i had burnt my arm was because i heard my arm sizzling. Then i pulled it off the head cover and felt the sting(darn).
This was about 3am in the morning saturday morning. When i woke up opened up that valve cover and seen that my gasket literally had a slit which is when i understood that thats where i had pinched it when putting it on. So i went to an auto store and bought a new gasket and refilled the oil, and changed the spark plugs while i was at it. Turns out the last few places i had gone to do a tune up at didnt end up changing my spark plugs. I found alot of corrosion. They looked really really old and burnt. Pissed me off so bad. Exactly the reason why i am learning how to do all this motor work and maintainence myself. So i can save money and not get ripped off! URGH that made me so mad to discover that.
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Now about my truck. The Ticking noise has seemed to have either gone away or just quieted down because i havent heared it at all and i drove the truck around all weekend.
BUT, there was that other noise in the last video i posed up in my previous post.
I'll re post it again here:
Now FINALLY when i took it to my girls uncles shop to pick up the car's gasket the guys heard the noise themselves in person. They said they think it might be a bearing or my clutch. I honestly dont understand this stuff but they said that it sounds like a spinning kind of a sound. i dont know for sure. but i still havent been able to pin point where exactly the sound is coming from quite yet but i know i will.
MARK i bougth you a new stethoscope. Apparently one of your earbuds on those super unconfortable ones was loose and came off. I know it has to be somewhere in my truck under a seat or something but i just went ahead and bought you some instead. so sorry for loosing the earbud. Hope the ones you lent me didnt have any sentimental value of any sort lol
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Now i know you guys have all been asking me what exactly was done to the engine. So as far as the things that were done when the mechanic had worked on my motor this is everything that got done. I asked them to write me out a list of what was done again cuz i couldnt remember.
Stuff that got machined:
Cylinders Honed, Crankshaft Polished, Cylinder Hears(valveJob)
Replaced on the Block:
Piston Rings, Rod Bearings, Main Bearings, Thrust washers, Freeze Plugs, Full Set of Gaskets, All timing(bearings and tensioners and adjuster), Water pump, fan bracket, all hoses/belts, spark plugs. PowerSteering Pump/pressurehose/return hose)
So when i spoke to them they said it wasnt a rebuild like i have been calling it over and over throughout my build. told me it might as well have been rebuilt but it wasnt. Ther was just alot of stuff that was done to it and alot of extra stuff that was done to it because originally the mechanic was only gonna fix the heads and head gaskets, but upon doing that job he found problems after problems after problems so we took a different route and added on to his "fix-it" list.
I hope i got everything covered in this post. sorry it was so long. I'm gonna reread everything right now. hopefully my grammer and spelling wasnt too bad. i was typing this on and off over the coarse of 2 hours lol.
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Man, sorry to hear about the corolla....and your arm!
I hope your issue is figured out...that would bug the heck outta me.
And if you read through Chef's rebuild thread on page 1,218 you'll read about that special piece of ear wax he soldered onto that stethoscope for memories!
I hope your issue is figured out...that would bug the heck outta me.
And if you read through Chef's rebuild thread on page 1,218 you'll read about that special piece of ear wax he soldered onto that stethoscope for memories!
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Wow, sorry bout the burn/valve cover! Glad you caught it before a long highway drive or something where it just all leaked out. Wow, and the oil filter thing too, not long ago, right? You've just got to know, so you don't feel too bad.... 'IT HAPPENS TO ALL OF US!' lol.... Trust me!
Clutch, they said? Didn't he throw a clutch kit in and have the flywheel turned? (just asking, don't remember if you'd said so, sorry)
I can NOT for the life of me remember if you said so.. So, I'll just ask; Did he replace the Oil Pump? Or at least micrometer test it out to specs? I thought you said it's new.... But I'll wait for you on that one.
Still curious on what was 'melted' or whatever it was you said.... I'd have put 90% odds, that night, on 'rod knock'....... And hey, IT HAPPENS! Shouldn't, but it does.. And for the most part, it seems to run great! Just struck me a lil odd that something might have nearly melted down or spun, ....yet the crank didn't get anything but polished? Anyway, .... unless you can find out WHAT was buggered within the holes or riding on the crank... it's all just speculation and such, lol.....
Clutch, they said? Didn't he throw a clutch kit in and have the flywheel turned? (just asking, don't remember if you'd said so, sorry)
I can NOT for the life of me remember if you said so.. So, I'll just ask; Did he replace the Oil Pump? Or at least micrometer test it out to specs? I thought you said it's new.... But I'll wait for you on that one.
Still curious on what was 'melted' or whatever it was you said.... I'd have put 90% odds, that night, on 'rod knock'....... And hey, IT HAPPENS! Shouldn't, but it does.. And for the most part, it seems to run great! Just struck me a lil odd that something might have nearly melted down or spun, ....yet the crank didn't get anything but polished? Anyway, .... unless you can find out WHAT was buggered within the holes or riding on the crank... it's all just speculation and such, lol.....
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OH yeah! lol... NO WORRIES< man! I was just hoping it would help... NOTHING sentimental about it, nope. I wipe em down with alcohol... But yeah, still kinda yucky I guess. I know people share EAR BUDS all the time.... Which get worn WAY more than Stethoscopes in my house, anyway! lol. HAHAHAHA.... That really cracked me up, Grego! 
Nooooo my post didn't post. I didnt turn on my internet on the phone so when i went to post my reply got deleted.
Hey Mark & Greg. I totally left out some information on that post. The reason why they only had the crankshaft polished was because when the machine shop had it they did their measurements and didn't see any problems with it. No warping, abnormalities, or anything worn in even or whatever. This is what the machine shop told my mechanic and girls uncles. But according to them they said there was no need to do anything other then just the polish on it.
Mark - As for the oil pump the only oil pump I remember changing was the power steering pump. that is completely brand spanking new. Is that what you were talking about?
Also about the clutch. When the mechanic had the whole motor out he asked me if I wanted him to do the clutch. But first asked how did it feel before I brought it to him. and honestly I felt the clutch to be fine. I didn't have any problems with it. It felt pretty good to me. sovi asked him what do you think i should do. He replied well from the looks of it, it looks like its still in good condition and still had plenty of life left in it. But i just wanted to ask if you wanted the job done noe since the whole motor is out right now because it'd be much easier to work on that since the motor is out right now.
So I told him if the clutch is still in good shape then don't do it. I mean if it didn't have to be done why pay to do it ya know. I was already spending a ton of money on it anyway so i was trying to save money to spend on other parts I did need.
Now I'm just hoping that decision isn't coming back to bite me on the arse.
Greg - your post made me laugh. I like the whole page comparison lol cuz he does have alot of pages on his build ha ha haa. Also the earwax bit gave me a flashback of when I was gonna use them on Friday (thinking back again... ill....) As I was going to put them on I noticed a nice size chunk of earwax on one of the earbuds. Mmm that was pretty gross considering I know it wasn't mone cuz I clean my ears every morning and after every shower. Lol. I just wiped it down with a cloth. Who know maybe it could have been a mixture of mine, Mark's and my girls cuz we all used it on thursday lol. I'll the thought of sharing earwax is gross! Lol
Hey Mark & Greg. I totally left out some information on that post. The reason why they only had the crankshaft polished was because when the machine shop had it they did their measurements and didn't see any problems with it. No warping, abnormalities, or anything worn in even or whatever. This is what the machine shop told my mechanic and girls uncles. But according to them they said there was no need to do anything other then just the polish on it.
Mark - As for the oil pump the only oil pump I remember changing was the power steering pump. that is completely brand spanking new. Is that what you were talking about?
Also about the clutch. When the mechanic had the whole motor out he asked me if I wanted him to do the clutch. But first asked how did it feel before I brought it to him. and honestly I felt the clutch to be fine. I didn't have any problems with it. It felt pretty good to me. sovi asked him what do you think i should do. He replied well from the looks of it, it looks like its still in good condition and still had plenty of life left in it. But i just wanted to ask if you wanted the job done noe since the whole motor is out right now because it'd be much easier to work on that since the motor is out right now.
So I told him if the clutch is still in good shape then don't do it. I mean if it didn't have to be done why pay to do it ya know. I was already spending a ton of money on it anyway so i was trying to save money to spend on other parts I did need.
Now I'm just hoping that decision isn't coming back to bite me on the arse.
Greg - your post made me laugh. I like the whole page comparison lol cuz he does have alot of pages on his build ha ha haa. Also the earwax bit gave me a flashback of when I was gonna use them on Friday (thinking back again... ill....) As I was going to put them on I noticed a nice size chunk of earwax on one of the earbuds. Mmm that was pretty gross considering I know it wasn't mone cuz I clean my ears every morning and after every shower. Lol. I just wiped it down with a cloth. Who know maybe it could have been a mixture of mine, Mark's and my girls cuz we all used it on thursday lol. I'll the thought of sharing earwax is gross! Lol
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Ok, last things first.... I DEFINITELY clean them with rubbing alcohol swabs, each time, after I use them(largely cuz I don't want MY EARS getting grime in them from the Steth-buds... not the other way around, lol).... And second, but should be first... I clean my ears every shower...... Gonna have to look inward on the ear wax scenario, homie! hahahaha.(personally, since you had them after me and wore them last, then took them over there.... I'd have blamed it on the mechanics, were I you 
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Anyway, thanks for replacing them, I appreciate that, Richard.
Far as the oil pump...... Your engine has an oil pump fitted on it.... As the crank turns(at least on the 22RE), the oil pump gear is engaged by the turning of the crank which creates enough oil pressure to get the oil throughout the motor quickly, on start up, then continuously whenever it's running(Maybe the 3.0 is driven by a belt, elsewhere on the block face? Guys on here will know).... I HAVE seen guys on here dealing with them having gone out... And mine, after 254K miles, first rebuild... Well, it was tired and needed replacing. So I did. (You measure the space between the walls of the oil pump and the drive splines inside, etc.... If the clearance is beyond specs, DEFINITELY replace)... I'm assuming he did that is all.... Maybe ask, couldn't hurt, right?
Far as the clutch.... Without knowing the life on it..... and when doing A FEW THOUSAND$ rebuild... I'd definitely have replaced the clutch, the whole kit. Regarding "it all looked good".... That's just it.. The throwout bearing and pilot bearing should ALWAYS be replaced on a full rebuild, along with a turning of the flywheel(they run it on a flat rotating machine that is then engaged by a tool that works it's way from the outside in, starting a new 'step' and then continuing until it's completed on the surface area. ) It's just a big job to have to do even within 30-40K miles of a full rebuild... So it's VERY common to just replace the kit for 150$-350$, depending on the kit you want. OEM is good... and if the disc and pressure plate all looked good.... great. But I'd still at least turn the flywheel A TINY bit, clean up the disc and pressure plate and install new throwout and pilot bearings(The pilot bearing rides in the end of the crank... The Trans Input Shaft inserts INTO it... the pilot bearing rolling .... Then the throwout bearing engages the pressure plate, which then pushes the clutch disc into the flywheel.... They're all active parts that take quite a bit of abuse on a motor after MANY miles.) It's good that they left it up to you, Richard... don't get me wrong, "the final decision".. And I understand trying to save money... it get's EXPENSIVE!!!
.... But I probably would have REALLY pushed you to do it, especially cuz you're a friend of the family, and I wouldn't want you having to pay me to do a clutch not long down the road when it would basically have been included(labor) in the price of the job(compared to having to drop the trans to do your clutch, later on). I replaced my Clutch Master Cyl, Clutch Slave Cyl and entire kit, along with a flywheel turn for around 240$. The master and slave could be done any time though, and the stock kit, on average, is around 150-175$.... A Clutch job, on a running truck? Not sure, but I'd guess around 300-400$ labor. Bottom line, at this point, is 'that's ALL spilled milk!', right now....
Maybe they hear 'possibly clutch noises' that they didn't hear before the motor honey was used.... But that motor honey? Does NOTHING to quiet the clutch... So on the other end.... The knocking/rapping we heard? NOTHING to do with the clutch is my guess.. As 1. It doesn't make much sense.. 2. As I said, it wouldn't quiet up with additives.
As far as the Crank? Mehhhhhhhh, lol... It's all irrelevant at this point, unless something goes wrong and causes him to dig in there again. Which I DEFINITELY hope is not necessary! But thanks for explaining.... That puts more light on it. Still doesn't answer one question though..... "What was MELTED OR BUGGERED ALL TO HELL that you were mentioning that night?" The crank was smooth/not out of round/just needed a polish. I hear ya..... BUT, you had mentioned to me that something was REALLY messed up... I just am a lil curious as to what it was. That's all. NO urgent need to know. And if you would rather drop it for now and just drive it.... I TOTALLY understand that, Richard, trust me
)..... Anyway, thanks for replacing them, I appreciate that, Richard.
Far as the oil pump...... Your engine has an oil pump fitted on it.... As the crank turns(at least on the 22RE), the oil pump gear is engaged by the turning of the crank which creates enough oil pressure to get the oil throughout the motor quickly, on start up, then continuously whenever it's running(Maybe the 3.0 is driven by a belt, elsewhere on the block face? Guys on here will know).... I HAVE seen guys on here dealing with them having gone out... And mine, after 254K miles, first rebuild... Well, it was tired and needed replacing. So I did. (You measure the space between the walls of the oil pump and the drive splines inside, etc.... If the clearance is beyond specs, DEFINITELY replace)... I'm assuming he did that is all.... Maybe ask, couldn't hurt, right?
Far as the clutch.... Without knowing the life on it..... and when doing A FEW THOUSAND$ rebuild... I'd definitely have replaced the clutch, the whole kit. Regarding "it all looked good".... That's just it.. The throwout bearing and pilot bearing should ALWAYS be replaced on a full rebuild, along with a turning of the flywheel(they run it on a flat rotating machine that is then engaged by a tool that works it's way from the outside in, starting a new 'step' and then continuing until it's completed on the surface area. ) It's just a big job to have to do even within 30-40K miles of a full rebuild... So it's VERY common to just replace the kit for 150$-350$, depending on the kit you want. OEM is good... and if the disc and pressure plate all looked good.... great. But I'd still at least turn the flywheel A TINY bit, clean up the disc and pressure plate and install new throwout and pilot bearings(The pilot bearing rides in the end of the crank... The Trans Input Shaft inserts INTO it... the pilot bearing rolling .... Then the throwout bearing engages the pressure plate, which then pushes the clutch disc into the flywheel.... They're all active parts that take quite a bit of abuse on a motor after MANY miles.) It's good that they left it up to you, Richard... don't get me wrong, "the final decision".. And I understand trying to save money... it get's EXPENSIVE!!!
.... But I probably would have REALLY pushed you to do it, especially cuz you're a friend of the family, and I wouldn't want you having to pay me to do a clutch not long down the road when it would basically have been included(labor) in the price of the job(compared to having to drop the trans to do your clutch, later on). I replaced my Clutch Master Cyl, Clutch Slave Cyl and entire kit, along with a flywheel turn for around 240$. The master and slave could be done any time though, and the stock kit, on average, is around 150-175$.... A Clutch job, on a running truck? Not sure, but I'd guess around 300-400$ labor. Bottom line, at this point, is 'that's ALL spilled milk!', right now.... Maybe they hear 'possibly clutch noises' that they didn't hear before the motor honey was used.... But that motor honey? Does NOTHING to quiet the clutch... So on the other end.... The knocking/rapping we heard? NOTHING to do with the clutch is my guess.. As 1. It doesn't make much sense.. 2. As I said, it wouldn't quiet up with additives.
As far as the Crank? Mehhhhhhhh, lol... It's all irrelevant at this point, unless something goes wrong and causes him to dig in there again. Which I DEFINITELY hope is not necessary!
But thanks for explaining.... That puts more light on it. Still doesn't answer one question though..... "What was MELTED OR BUGGERED ALL TO HELL that you were mentioning that night?" The crank was smooth/not out of round/just needed a polish. I hear ya..... BUT, you had mentioned to me that something was REALLY messed up... I just am a lil curious as to what it was. That's all. NO urgent need to know. And if you would rather drop it for now and just drive it.... I TOTALLY understand that, Richard, trust me
Wow, I was having such a great day, at work and after work, only to have it all go to hell when my Corolla's clutch went out. I was leaving my parents house and it completely lost all power about 1 1/2 blocks away from their house. I had to give my little brother Isac a call so i could get some help getting it back to my mom & dads house.------ Never knew how out of shape i've gotten till today. once my little brother got there i had him jump in the car, and i pushed the car all the way home as fast and as hard as i could. literally felt like i was gonna pass out and throw up. haha---
Well on the bright side at least i have my truck to get me to and from work for the mean time. I've never been more relieved to have 2 cars then now. pays off i guess. STILL MAD THOUGH! DAMN IT!
Mark i just realized you replied. I never got an email for my thread update wth... I'll reply in a bit if not tomorrow morning. just wanted to share what happened today really quick.
Well on the bright side at least i have my truck to get me to and from work for the mean time. I've never been more relieved to have 2 cars then now. pays off i guess. STILL MAD THOUGH! DAMN IT!
Mark i just realized you replied. I never got an email for my thread update wth... I'll reply in a bit if not tomorrow morning. just wanted to share what happened today really quick.
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Don't sweat it, man! I was just trying to give you some insight, since ya asked You had plenty on your mind, I'm sure! 
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So whatcha gonna do? Just to give you an idea... If it's FWD/slant 4.... It aint gonna be cheap. See what your mechanic guy wants and let us know. From what I know, ....the whole front cross member has to come out and then it's tight getting the trans out/clutch in/trans back in... BUT YOU COULD do it, Richard... It may take you a couple days of spare time... Maybe a week... BUT, ..... you'd save SEVERAL hundred bux! ya know?
For an 03 Corolla a buddy I know has(1.8L ???)... His quote...8-1100$, depending on if the flywheel needs turning/has hot spots, etc. It's a BIT of a bear of a job, ya know?
Just rough estimate... Working on front wheel drive can be a TOTAL PITA.... but IT CAN BE DONE, by ALMOST anyone who is willing to do the research and do it right. Personally, since you have another vehicle? I'd do it myself, especially since your landlord doesn't mind, YA KNOW? Hell, he might even help ya?
You had plenty on your mind, I'm sure! ....... So whatcha gonna do? Just to give you an idea... If it's FWD/slant 4.... It aint gonna be cheap. See what your mechanic guy wants and let us know. From what I know, ....the whole front cross member has to come out and then it's tight getting the trans out/clutch in/trans back in... BUT YOU COULD do it, Richard... It may take you a couple days of spare time... Maybe a week... BUT, ..... you'd save SEVERAL hundred bux! ya know?
For an 03 Corolla a buddy I know has(1.8L ???)... His quote...8-1100$, depending on if the flywheel needs turning/has hot spots, etc. It's a BIT of a bear of a job, ya know?
Just rough estimate... Working on front wheel drive can be a TOTAL PITA.... but IT CAN BE DONE, by ALMOST anyone who is willing to do the research and do it right. Personally, since you have another vehicle? I'd do it myself, especially since your landlord doesn't mind, YA KNOW? Hell, he might even help ya?
I cant do that big of a job there at the land loards house. and either way. the car is at my parents house. And even with that i cant work on it there because they dont have any space to work on anything. they have 2 broken down cars in the driveway. have havent moved in over a year and the other in 2 years. i would so be willing to do it. but i dont have the place to do it.
I was thinking about taking it to the mechanic who did my truck. I figured who knows maybe it might be something else that isnt too hard to fix. ( i know i know its wishful thinking at this point) but yea its true im sure that it probably is gonna be my clutch.
I'm telling you. its been feeling wierd for the past few weeks. like slow take offs. That feeling really picked up this past week. Then this morning it i really felt like it was slow. but i figured it might have been cuz i didnt let it warm up too much when i first started the car. And once again when i left work and when i left my mom and dads house. I made it as far as 1-2 blocks away. when i felt a little "pop" feeling on my left foot which was sitting on the clutch. and after i felt that it seemed like i lost all sense of any power to be able to move my car forward or back. I literally had to floor it to get it to move 2mph up a driveway to park infront of a local store.
Things i checked:
Checked for leaks inside on the clutch pedal area. and on the clutch resivoir, and under the car. nothing. no leaks, and all my fluids were good. Next i was told to check to see if a bracket was broken or something on the inside of my car near the clutch. that was also a no. So i really dont know what it could be. I think i'll call around asking for opinions at local mechanic shops. But yea i agree with you Mark. i know its gonna be a ton of $$$. im hoping this mechanic will do it for a reasonable price.
I was thinking about taking it to the mechanic who did my truck. I figured who knows maybe it might be something else that isnt too hard to fix. ( i know i know its wishful thinking at this point) but yea its true im sure that it probably is gonna be my clutch.
I'm telling you. its been feeling wierd for the past few weeks. like slow take offs. That feeling really picked up this past week. Then this morning it i really felt like it was slow. but i figured it might have been cuz i didnt let it warm up too much when i first started the car. And once again when i left work and when i left my mom and dads house. I made it as far as 1-2 blocks away. when i felt a little "pop" feeling on my left foot which was sitting on the clutch. and after i felt that it seemed like i lost all sense of any power to be able to move my car forward or back. I literally had to floor it to get it to move 2mph up a driveway to park infront of a local store.
Things i checked:
Checked for leaks inside on the clutch pedal area. and on the clutch resivoir, and under the car. nothing. no leaks, and all my fluids were good. Next i was told to check to see if a bracket was broken or something on the inside of my car near the clutch. that was also a no. So i really dont know what it could be. I think i'll call around asking for opinions at local mechanic shops. But yea i agree with you Mark. i know its gonna be a ton of $$$. im hoping this mechanic will do it for a reasonable price.
