JPL

Correct, almost every time I turn the ignition to start the vehicle there is always a solid click from the solenoid and the starter motor will not turn over. I checked the grounds last time (on the engine block), but I haven't closely inspected the battery positive on the starter. I will do this today after work. The more I think about it the more it makes sense that the characteristics of my issue would point towards the starter not getting enough current.. possibly from a bad connection between the battery and starter as previously suspected.

@old87yota

The battery seems good and has been load tested in the past, but you're absolutely right.. I need to retest it and make sure it's still good. I practically need to start over and cover my troubleshooting steps again.

L5wolvesf

It's from a Toyota pickup, early 90s, I have the steering column.

RAD4 has a very good point . . . again

I'm in Cottonwood so not really close by or you coulda come try it out.

JPL

So, I finally found the time to dig into this mess again and I think I finally found the problem! It would not start even after fully charging the battery, so I had it load tested at the auto parts store.. it tested good. I dug into the dash to start on the ignition switch and found this VVVV. I taped up the exposed wire and now it starts every time! Basically all this trouble, time, and money because I was to lazy to properly troubleshoot the issue.. I was focused on the wrong parts. But I'm surprised none of the shops found this! Let this be a valuable lesson to everyone (especially myself)!

exposed wires from ignition plug on harness. Previous owner spliced into the ignition switch wires to power the passenger window switch.

jakey poo

Damn PO wiring hacks!

atcfixer

iTrader: (1)

W\o looking up the wire colors in the diagram, kind of looks like someone had an aftermarket security system installed, then later someone removed it. That White/red wire that has 3 connectors I'd remove personally and run a single wire. Give those connections a good tug, if any fall apart, bare min cut back the wire a bit to fresh wire, strip it normally, and put a new connector on there with the proper tool. Even though those are not a sealing type of connector, the right tool appears to have been used on them for the crimp.

Actually looking at it, it does look like a security system setup, the starter wire would be cut so it can be ran though the security module so if the alarm goes off, the starter won't work. That middle crimp looks a bit iffy to me since it was crimped several times it makes me think it might not be a solid connection.

Could also unplug the EFI fuse (Under the hood, for no spark/injector pulse), and crank while wiggling the wires to make sure they won't cause issues down the road with bad connections.

Ironically, the Toyota dealer installed security systems are added in instead of being integrated with the wiring for this era of truck, however they don't cut wires, only T style pass though connectors and a couple scotch locks to tap into the horn wiring and ground. I removed the security system in my T100 not long ago with a Toyota installed security system, the main module got fried when I went in too deep of a mud hole a month or so ago, oops.

RAD4Runner

Yes^^^ including testing those wires thoroughly.

Wayne Alexander

I realize this is a older post. Just need to put the info I have out there for others on the madder of where the starter relay for my 1989 Toyota 2x4 22r carb. 2.4L is located.
I bought this truck new early in 1990 and if my truck would have been made three months later it would have been 22re EFI and not 22r with carb. I knew that the relay where ever it was located at would be OEM and green in color. 1988-89 22r manual states and showed under hood on passenger side just behind the fuse box behind the battery. Even 90 models show under hood. After 8 hours or more of looking online I found a random pick online of under dash on this blog with a green relay. So I went back out to my truck and sure thing I found the starter relay behind left kick panel at very top of fuse box. I could not see it until I put my head on floor mat and used a light to see it. Spent my life working in auto collision and restoration. I rebuilt many old cars and customized many by chopping tops, suicide door. lam doors and much more. I rebuilt my starter in my truck 14 years ago and parked it in my shop for 12 years until 6 months ago. I build my own motors, transmissions and so on on all my auto's and I came across this matter of where the relay is at in the 89 2.4l carb. 22r 2x4 toyota pickup and seen how so many others had problems finding it and no info for me was the right info and posted on this blog to maybe help others find the green starter relay for there 89 model 22r toyota pickups

RAD4Runner

Thanks for this info, Wayne!
Does yours look similar to JPL's and NTRBTFOX's 1991 222R-E's above?. Toyota's of those transition years around 1989-1991 were Frankentein monsters - LOL!
I'll add info to Relays and Fuses Location thread here.

atcfixer

iTrader: (1)

89 pickup should match 89-95.

Here's the starter relay for 1990 (my manuals don't go back to 1989 sadly).



And here's page 16 that shows where the junction box is located, same location as you described.



The starter relay stayed in that spot in 1991, and then moved location for 92-95 for under the hood. Starter relay on the older gen was bolted to the passenger side inner fender if I recall correctly if the truck came with the relay, some the starter solenoid powered directly off the ignition switch I think.



And again, location info from page 18.



Also FYI, EFI and Carb'ed 22R's were not depandant on year, I've read carb was an option upto 1995. Pretty sure the first EFI was 1986. I've had both carb and EFI pickups from 1986 and 1987. Manual doesn't seem to mention the starter relay location having any location difference for EFI vs Carb, or USA vs Canada.

RAD4Runner

Thank you, Sir! I think that clears things up better.
I hope you don't mind that I took the liberty of sharing your info on sticky'd "Relay Locations" thread.

atcfixer

iTrader: (1)

Yep no problem, the screen shots are from the toyota electrical wire diagrams.

Co_94_PU

iTrader: (-1)

1986 is when TCCS was introduced on the 22re, (Early?) 1985 is when EFI was used.

Two obvious changes that are easy to spot is the usage of a knock sensor and NE signal generator.

The pre TCCS computer was also used on uhm 1gz-fe.

atcfixer

iTrader: (1)

My bad, my mind said 1985, but my fingers typed 1986 lol. Always good to have confirmation though, been a while since I've been digging through Toyota specs and such.

lonnie.powers@poa-in

Thank you guys,
I found and replaced the starter relay right where you said it was in the driver kick panel and believe the click at start problem is finally behind me.
I will follow up with a bypass to the starter solenoid for emergencies.

JTSVT

I have been loosing my sanity over an intermittent start on a LC 1994. I will cut to the chase and look in the dash.... Thanks