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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Teuf
I vote skip the powder coat, just paint. Save money for lockers.
haha I am already locked in the front and rear. Spartan lockers.

But i know what you mean. I am gonna do regular primer and matt black spray paint after all.
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 10:05 AM
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Wooohooo.... The lunchbox shuffle! Hehe
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 09:51 PM
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Alright guys you wanted pix of the bumper nicely sanded and on the truck so you got it!

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Close up on that wheel well area. This is the only thing that didnt come out picture perfect. but whatever im still happy with it. i'll just move the mud flap slightly back to fill that gap some.
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Today i went back to the BOBCO METAL company and bought some more scrap metal pieces for my tire swing. I got a bunch of 2"x2" square tubing and one long rectangular 2"x4" both @ 1/8" thickness for the tire swing metal material. And i also bought 2"x2" sqare tube with 1/4" thick steel to weld/mount the bumper to my hitch crossbar right behind the face of the bumper and the sides of the bumper onto the frame. and some 1/16" sheet steel to fab up a Jerry Can holder. I bought all this scrap metal for about $25-28. Sorry i didnt take any pix of the metal i bought laid out on the floor.

We had to cut 2 pieces @ 4&1/4" for the face of the bumper to hitch crossbar
2 more pieces @ 12" from the side wall of the bumper onto the frame. One end at 70* and the other end at 120* None of these tubes are welded on just yet. We had to work quickly because for some odd reason we had rain/on and off sprinkles all day today. So we had to work fast to get as much done before we had some more showers again.

We cut the long tire swing crossbar at 59&3/4" to make even with the outer wall of the spindle. both sides will be 0.5" away from the end of the actual bumper. (hope this all makes sense)

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There is the Spindle temporarily installed to get an idea of where to mount that rectangular tube. Also had to cut the left end in a 1/4 of a circle to fit the spindle wall exactly.
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Dad using the 90* angle to make sure everything is cut correctly so we dont run into any problems while welding tomorrow. BTW im not planning to use this Harbor Freight Jerry can. I just had it out to get a rough idea of the amount of space its going to be taking up.
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Here is what my tire swing is going to look like. Only think we're missing now is the tire plate and studs to hold the tire in place. also to fab up a jerry can holder off of some 1/16" sheet metal that i bought today.

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the tire is going to mounted on the spindle side(left) near that top corner. The Jerry can will be mounted on the right and the right side of the jerry can will align flush with that right vertical tube. so you wont even see that tube at all from the back view.

I also bought 3 cans of primer and 3 cans of matt black today. I didn't get around to painting because as i said before we were working quickly to finish all our cuts with the metal saw. Sometimes working with a little dizzle. I'm going to hold off on all painting for the time being just until we finish that tire swing then grind down. Once we finish i and gonna prime and paint the whole project leaving the 1/4" steel tubing for last. just so we can have the bumper nicely painted so i dont struggle later on on trying to paint the bumper while its on the truck.

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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 10:02 PM
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BADDDD ARSSSSSSE! Realllly like that swing out design... Simple/strong and practical!

Nice work, again..... Say hi to Mr. G in the place to be, for me, eh? .... Momma G as well! Lol
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 10:13 PM
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Sure thing Mark. I like the design too. Was considering leaving space for a Hi-Lift in between the Tire and Jerry can but it's just too much darn weight back there already. So i'm just gonna do what you did and use a bike lock to attack the Hi-Lift to the roll cage.
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BTW guys i'd like to make one thing very clear, i didnt do a single thing today other then assist my dad. I'm not the best with trig/geometry and this is where my dad excels. So i wanted to leave it in the hands of the professional. All i did was carry stuff from one spot to another, hold the tubes as he cut, and got the tools he needed/asked for. This was all him here. He just asked "what do you want? and how do you want it." and he made it happen.
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 11:08 PM
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dads are great that way no worries richard no worries

the carrier looks great once all welded an primered are you going to cap the open ends? just to protect the insides from rusting an ruining the hard work you could though after done welding soak the insides with undercoating that'd seal the steel an water would run right out
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 11:26 PM
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Bumper is looking great Richard. I still have projects that I hold off on till I can get my dads help. Great seeing you guys working together.
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Old Jul 10, 2013 | 11:26 PM
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What a great gift to have a pops like that. .. Not only good at it, but anxious to do it with ya! I'm grateful for mine as well...

I always enjoyed math... But when it came to my pops? He was manager of all quality assurance of TRW: Space ships, etc... I suddenly felt like I was learning two plus two when I was around him! Lol. We'd be working on a motor or something and he would come home one day with a piston that he designed over a couple lunch breaks! Hahaha... He actually enjoyed that stuff at TRW quite a bit( they designed fine car parts for many years )..... Probably not as much as building Apollo's, but he definitely loved the car stuff! Now? Like many at 80, he loves the remote control and TV all day... Very sad, but I mention it because I hope you can enjoy this stuff for quite a while and as often as you can with him.... And then, when you get into the medical field and he cuts himself or something you can fix him! Full circle, bubba! Lol

I'm sure there'll be plenty more like this... But what a great memory, and it's something you can look at every day... Very cool!
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 05:56 AM
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Some of what we did yesterday. We welded the tire swing together, and I eventually sanded down the welds to smooth them out (not in the pictures.)
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Eventually we messed up with the way the latch is properly supposed to mount so I had to look up a tire swing thread here on yotatech to see how it is supposed to be done. Once we found out we had to grind off the welds and smooth out the surface of the humper again then re position and weld again. Here are some shots of how the tire latch mounts just in case you guys ever make your own bumper.
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Had to weld a small plate to the back side of the rubber stop because the holes for which to mount the rubber is on the back side not the bottom.
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After getting those pix I sanded down the welds to a smpoth surface and primered the bumper. Didn't get to do the tire swing. I dodnt want to do it yet because we still need to fab up the gas can holder. So as of right now the bumper is the only thing that is painted.
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 06:33 AM
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Your bumper is turning out nice.. Great job!!
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cyberhorn The Dragon
already the bumper looks epic

i need to get some of those for my frame HF huh? have to check the prices im still amazed at how good my frame is versus the rust everywhere else

if weight is/becomes a problem you could pop holes in it where ya can to lighten it such as the rear face thats where companies lighten with decorative lettering or logos
They don't cost too much maybe $4 each sander wheel. If you say your frame is in good shape maybe you don't even need these. Maybe all you need is a knotted wire wheel like the one I used when cleaning up my SFA.

Originally Posted by Cyberhorn The Dragon
120 is great for paint good tooth for the primer to grab onto but if he say was to get it chromed 300 to 1000 make for the mirror shine lol

hey Rich are you gona sand blast the welds an backside to clean it up for paint back there?
I didn't get it mirror imagage kind of clear but I did get it pretty damn close. I could see a blurred reflection of myself haha. Btw I didn't sand blast the back I passed the grinder to remove all the little balls then passed the 80grit over a few spots. I didn't bother making it 100% clean in the back because nobody is gonna see it anyway.

Originally Posted by Cyberhorn The Dragon
dads are great that way no worries richard no worries

the carrier looks great once all welded an primered are you going to cap the open ends? just to protect the insides from rusting an ruining the hard work you could though after done welding soak the insides with undercoating that'd seal the steel an water would run right out
As for the end caps to the tubes we only needed to make one which you see in the above pictures where the tire latch is. I think it came out pretty clean looking. The rest of the cuts were all angled to meet up perfectly so welding them together would cancel out any water from getting inside. And the other end of the cross bar of that tire swing is mounted to the outer part of the spindle so I'm good there too.

Originally Posted by jason in tn
Bumper is looking great Richard. I still have projects that I hold off on till I can get my dads help. Great seeing you guys working together.
Sometimes that's all we gotta do is wait for the pops to give us a hand. They are more knowledgeable about many things and in my case it was a huge help.

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What a great gift to have a pops like that. .. Not only good at it, but anxious to do it with ya! I'm grateful for mine as well...

I always enjoyed math... But when it came to my pops? He was manager of all quality assurance of TRW: Space ships, etc... I suddenly felt like I was learning two plus two when I was around him! Lol. We'd be working on a motor or something and he would come home one day with a piston that he designed over a couple lunch breaks! Hahaha... He actually enjoyed that stuff at TRW quite a bit( they designed fine car parts for many years )..... Probably not as much as building Apollo's, but he definitely loved the car stuff! Now? Like many at 80, he loves the remote control and TV all day... Very sad, but I mention it because I hope you can enjoy this stuff for quite a while and as often as you can with him.... And then, when you get into the medical field and he cuts himself or something you can fix him! Full circle, bubba! Lol

I'm sure there'll be plenty more like this... But what a great memory, and it's something you can look at every day... Very cool!
Damn sounds like he really knew his stuff well. I was good at math but horrible at geometry. And thisbis where I needed my pops bad if not stuff would have came out slightly crooked.

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Your bumper is turning out nice.. Great job!!
Thanks Terry. I think we might have it mounted by this coming up week.

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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 07:09 AM
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Looking fantastic - thanks for all the photos for us dreamers

Are you going to put a gusset under the 90* angle where your actual wheel mount plate is, just for extra support?

I really like how you handled the angles on the bumper - not sure what you call that - the way it's like a 3D trapezoid lol
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 12:20 PM
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just awesome dude you should think about selling this as a kit i like it without the jerry can
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 12:26 PM
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Looking good!

What kind of Jerry Can is that?
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Philbert
Looking fantastic - thanks for all the photos for us dreamers

Are you going to put a gusset under the 90* angle where your actual wheel mount plate is, just for extra support?

I really like how you handled the angles on the bumper - not sure what you call that - the way it's like a 3D trapezoid lol
Thanks philbert. Glad you liked the design. I copied it off of the Relentless Tacoma bumpers. And yea i want to add that 90degree triangle gusset on that angle too

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just awesome dude you should think about selling this as a kit i like it without the jerry can
Haha one of the guys that makes deliveries to my building sells a bunch of off road stuff as a private vendor. A when I showed him this he said the same thing. He was like "I see lots of people with these 4runners and they only have tube armor rarely plate and if they do its custom. There isn't a mass producer vendor for plate bumpers for early model trucks like ours. I don't know man.... you should really think about it man. You can really make some big money doing more of those. You don't even need to make them yourself. You said you have the templates for them. So just take that to a fabricator and have them fabricate it for you so you don't need to work. Amd from there you'll make a couple hundred off it. Just something to think about man...."

He had a point but it seems like it'd be a pain to have to worry about getting something like that built and then worry about shipping suh a heavy shipment you know. I like the idea. But I dont think its for me. Plus that would require my dad to do sone more work and I kbow he won't want to do it.


Originally Posted by Red Wagon
Looking good!

What kind of Jerry Can is that?
I bought this one in Harbor freight for something like $25ish. I do know that 4WheelParts.com sells this same exact one for over $40 lol so I got a good deal I guess.

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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 02:00 PM
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well darn it..lol
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Old Jul 12, 2013 | 02:50 PM
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bumper looks great man, well done!
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 07:35 PM
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For around $40 you can buy the frame tubes and the jigs. (The jigs are a template that show you where to cut the holes) well worth the money, and you cut the hole in the frame directly beneath the front body mount, (located behind the front tire)

I am assuming the angle there is because the spring is unloaded? Was the front hanger flush with the frame? Did you set the front hanger back any? I tacked my sas up and had neg angle like that, unloaded. I will set the spring in tomorrow and let it settle. i don't want to recut my shackle holes any more forward, well if I have to I will.
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyberhorn The Dragon
well darn it..lol
I know right. This is a heck of alot of work to do to make one of these. I have so many burns all over my fingers and arms. Lots of tiny pencil tip sized scabs all over my forarms due to shards of grinder/metal pieces flying off as we work. Today i literally sanded off my left pointer finger fingertip. OUUUUCH that one hurt bad. didnt begin to burn till about 10 minutes after it happened. but what im trying to say is it definitely aint worth making a few more just to sell lol
Tell ya one thing though. All this pain and suffering making this bumper definitely has me appreciating it a lot more!

Originally Posted by liveoffroad
bumper looks great man, well done!
Thanks dude. I'm gonna upload about 9 more pix on my progress over the past 2 days after these replies.

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I am assuming the angle there is because the spring is unloaded? Was the front hanger flush with the frame? Did you set the front hanger back any? I tacked my sas up and had neg angle like that, unloaded. I will set the spring in tomorrow and let it settle. i don't want to recut my shackle holes any more forward, well if I have to I will.
We welded my front spring hanger flush with the front frame crossmember there( i think thats what its called.) This is the only close up i have uploaded of the hanger. Hope it helps.

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Here is are my shackles.
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This is the angle i had when i had my 3" springs (Rancho). As you can see the angle isnt goo good. it was completely vertical
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This is the angle i have now. after the 4" new allpro springs. The Shackle angle is much better now. See the difference???
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Old Jul 13, 2013 | 09:18 PM
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This update will be for yesterday and today. Yesterday my dad wasnt feeling ok to weld. back was hurting after work. So he took me outside after i had prepared the work area for us and he gave me his spare mask so i could watch him again (like i had been doing for the past week), and he showed me how welding should be done. After he did 1-2 welds he let me take over. Leaving me with the welding gear, and told me to make sure everything was at the right angles and double check everything after tack welds before i go through with a full weld. Anyway. He went inside the house and left me to fab up the gas can holder. I gotta say He makes welding look like a piece of cake lol.

Here is a picture of my first welds. (dad's welds are at the far right of the top; he only did about 3 inches worth). You can see where i took over lol looks sloppy and lots of balls. hahaha But I did get much better with practice.
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After welds were grinded and sanded down to 120grit. Wooo looks nice.
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I was only able to get that done. I had to clean up early because i had a hot date with Faby. Gotta tell ya that new 'Grown Ups 2' movie was hilarious! So this is how i left the tire swing.
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Today I got much busier. Lots accomplished. I started off the day fitting that rubber tire swing stop right and bolting it down with some nice steel bolts, nuts, and lock washers. That alone took me forever because i had tons of mismatched combinations. i finally gave up and asked my neighbor ruben if he had 2 spares that he could let me have. and thankfully he did. YAY. lol

After that simple task i was back to fabbing up the rest of the gas can holder. Well actually the gas can holder was finished. i just wanted something to keep it from getting stolen. so i wanted to somehow make a lock to stop crooks from steeling my jerry can. after the top plate was finished i thought to myself.... "These guys can still steal my gas with a plate keeping it in place. There is still access to the lid of the jerry can. I have to keep them away from taking my gas." So i cut up some triangles and angled them around the corners to better keep the jerry can in place. but most of all. Keep people from opening my jerry can lid and sucking my gas out with a water hose. After i had all my cuts made i had to drop by Home Depot to buy 2 thick door hinges, and 2 MasterLock locks. came out to about $30 or so.

Once i came back home i spent about an hour welding all my pieces together and another 1-2 hours sanding everything down. Here is my 'protected' jerry can. This swinging bracket/ lock is really solid. unless someone is desperate enough to remove the pin's from my hinges i dont think anybody will be getting to my jerry can lol
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While i was doing all of this i was painting the bumper matt black. Also made a triangle shaped gusset to assist with the weight of the tire.

Picked up some wheel studs from AutoZone and found they didnt fit into the holes right. but i didnt wanna return them so i just sanded them down toward where they lock in place. then just gave it a couple of small welds to keep them in place. Then i sprayed the bumper with primer.
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And just cleaned up the patio and came in the house about 2 hours ago. This is how i left the tire swing.
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I'm really hoping that We get to install the bumper tomorrow. It'd be really nice to have a bumper on the truck again lol. The only thing i am stuck on at the moment is where to mount my license plate. I had originally thought of having it mounted in the center of the tire but i cant figure out how exactly to mount it. If i mount it in the center of the tire then i am gonna want to use my 2nd MasterLock to lock the license plate(which will be mounted on to a 2/16" plate) blocking the wheel nuts. The master lock will be mounted behind the license plate locking in 2 tabs one on the tube that will come out of the middle of the tire and the other which will be on the tube that is behind the license plate. I'll probable have one tube slide into a bigger tube and have 2 tabs meet in the middle somewhere(with 2 holes drilled) so i can lock the 2 pieces together. This will not only keep my license plate from falling out, but also keep people from steeling the tire.

...and the 2nd choice would be to mount the license plate to the jerry can holder. Simply by using bolts, lock washers, and nuts. Seems like a very simple choice. I like the 1st example much better though because it is more of a security piece to keep people from steeling the spare tire. I can still mount the license plate to the jerry can bracket and just use locking wheel nuts with the special tip. but like i said. the first choice seems like more of a multi use thing. because it provides that security to the tire. aside from bing a license plate holder. ya know?

Where ever i decide to mount this i am gonna have to run wires to it to have a small light to keep my license plate lit. I'm pretty sure its the law to have license plates lit. Anyway my question to you was gonna be where can i run my new lights through? Where are the the 2 wires that power the license plate lights on the tailgate? Becuase if there is already wires running to those from the bottom of the truck somewhere then i would rather just re use those wires vs running a whole new set and also running a new light switch in to the truck to turn on and off.

If any of you guys have any knowledge for this talegate light please let me know. Because i will be mounting this bumper/tires swing sometime this week. and i'd really like to have time to make all these wires look organized. Thanks guys.

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