Notices
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with IFS

Mods for the 3.0 durring a full rebuild

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jul 20, 2004 | 04:10 AM
  #121  
mt_goat's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 10,666
Likes: 5
From: Oklahoma State
Originally Posted by nunsa
How's That Mt. Goat, I know you from 4x4wire!
Yeah, glad to see you over here too! Lots of good guys over here. Did you find/or make a good cross-over to replace the stock one?
Reply
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 08:41 AM
  #122  
Praufet's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 833
Likes: 0
From: Fort Worth/College Station, TX
Any progress Dan?
Reply
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 10:54 AM
  #123  
Dan_90SR5's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
From: Middle TN
Originally Posted by Praufet
Any progress Dan?
None just yet other than research. I think that the 3VZ-FE exhaust manifolds actually merge in the downpipes. I think it's the 1MZ-FE that I was thinking of that uses the same crossover as our 3VZ-E. I could be totally confused though, so I'm going to try to get to the salvage yard next week.

I'll be building the bottom end next week. The fund is only up to $75, so I'll use that to get another head. I have a N02 kit that I have to get together to sell on ebay. It was intended for the Celica, but since I'm broke I figured I might as well try to finish this project first. The fact that so many people are wanting to see this done helps too.

I'll try to keep you guys posted on progress and there will be a write-up which I have already started.
Reply
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 12:12 PM
  #124  
Praufet's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 833
Likes: 0
From: Fort Worth/College Station, TX
Sweet, I'm excited. I donate more money, but I need to pay off my cc debt first. Weren't we supposed to get a sticky going for donations?
Reply
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 12:15 PM
  #125  
Dan_90SR5's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
From: Middle TN
Originally Posted by Praufet
Sweet, I'm excited. I donate more money, but I need to pay off my cc debt first. Weren't we supposed to get a sticky going for donations?
I have no idea how to do that......anyone want to head that up??
Reply
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 12:18 PM
  #126  
Praufet's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 833
Likes: 0
From: Fort Worth/College Station, TX
Quote:
Originally Posted by papas87
$$$ sent, Dan.

I too think it may be a good idea to create another post (or a sticky?) for funding and updating this project. - Jason G

Cebby:I'm on it...

I dunno what happened? Cebby where are you?
Reply
Old Jul 23, 2004 | 05:06 PM
  #127  
Bumpin' Yota's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,689
Likes: 4
From: Sarasota, FL
How hard is it to pull the heads and reinstall?

I imagine it's fairly laborious and long, but nothing overly complex?
Reply
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 10:27 AM
  #128  
Cebby's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 11,199
Likes: 2
From: Pittsburgh, PA
I searched this thread and didn't see it - anyway...

I was talking to DMG (here and POR). He's got two 3.0's that he's working on and has also been following this thread. He mentioned that there were a couple of years of Camry's that had tubular headers from the factory. While they won't work with the application we are talking about here, but it would provide a flange and some of the tubing work for headers for this application...

I need to ask what year he said again - I can't remember...
Reply
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 10:57 AM
  #129  
TRunner's Avatar
Thread Starter
Banned
 
Joined: Apr 2003
Posts: 836
Likes: 0
Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota
How hard is it to pull the heads and reinstall?
I imagine it's fairly laborious and long, but nothing overly complex?
The heads were a brease compared to the exhaust manifold. I have not done the assembly yet, but I imagine the hardest part is going to be making sure you have every stinkin hose hooked back up. There are lots! I just took more pictures then I could handle and numberd the hoses with tape and a marker so I could easily identify them for the install. I will let you know more in a couple weeks. But, time is the biggest factor I have come accross so far.
Reply
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 04:34 PM
  #130  
nunsa's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 263
Likes: 1
From: Pennsylvania
Originally Posted by mt_goat
Yeah, glad to see you over here too! Lots of good guys over here. Did you find/or make a good cross-over to replace the stock one?
I'm finally gonna come clean: Heads: Polished, ported, new OS Valves
Block: Complete Rebuild from www. toyotaperformance.com
Injectors from the machine shop
I also got rid of the crossover: www.downey.com
Manipulated Aircleaner!
Once the 3.0 can breathe, look out! She'll run hard!!!
Most 3.0's are congested, they just can''t breathe! Let her inhale and exhale!!
Reply
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 04:43 PM
  #131  
Cebby's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 11,199
Likes: 2
From: Pittsburgh, PA
Originally Posted by Praufet
Quote:
Originally Posted by papas87
$$$ sent, Dan.

I too think it may be a good idea to create another post (or a sticky?) for funding and updating this project. - Jason G

Cebby:I'm on it...

I dunno what happened? Cebby where are you?
The sticky is up.... I had to get approvals.
Reply
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 04:48 PM
  #132  
gwhayduke's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,574
Likes: 1
From: El Paso, TX
Good job Mike.
I noticed it earlier this afternoon.
Reply
Old Jul 24, 2004 | 07:39 PM
  #133  
gwhayduke's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 1,574
Likes: 1
From: El Paso, TX
Originally Posted by nunsa
I'm finally gonna come clean: Heads: Polished, ported, new OS Valves
Block: Complete Rebuild from www. toyotaperformance.com
Injectors from the machine shop
I also got rid of the crossover: www.downey.com
Manipulated Aircleaner!
Once the 3.0 can breathe, look out! She'll run hard!!!
Most 3.0's are congested, they just can''t breathe! Let her inhale and exhale!!
Were the OS valves some of those 1mm OS SS valves I've seen on eBay?
Did you change the AFM?
Reply
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 05:42 AM
  #134  
Bumpin' Yota's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,689
Likes: 4
From: Sarasota, FL
Originally Posted by gwhayduke
Were the OS valves some of those 1mm OS SS valves I've seen on eBay?
Did you change the AFM?
I have the same questions as well.

Since you have a new exhuast better direct intake on the engine itself, wouldnt a supra '82 VAFM improve it even more?

Also whats your 0-60 time and is your 3.0 in a 4runner or a taco?
Reply
Old Jul 25, 2004 | 06:30 AM
  #135  
Cebby's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Posts: 11,199
Likes: 2
From: Pittsburgh, PA
Originally Posted by Bumpin' Yota
Also whats your 0-60 time and is your 3.0 in a 4runner or a taco?
The 3.0 came in the 2nd and 3rd Gen Truck. The Taco (considered a 4th Gen truck) had the 3.4 for the V6 option.
Reply
Old Jul 29, 2004 | 07:57 AM
  #136  
Praufet's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 833
Likes: 0
From: Fort Worth/College Station, TX
Just my weekly check to see how its coming Dan Hope all is well.
Reply
Old Aug 10, 2004 | 09:06 PM
  #137  
Adam F's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2002
Posts: 2,479
Likes: 2
From: Cincinnati Ohio
How's it going? Any progress?
Reply
Old Aug 10, 2004 | 09:25 PM
  #138  
Bumpin' Yota's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,689
Likes: 4
From: Sarasota, FL
Thanks for the correction Cebby...all this time I have been calling every toyo pickup a "taco"...lol whoops.
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2004 | 10:25 AM
  #139  
paddlenbike's Avatar
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 1,190
Likes: 1
From: Northern CA
Nice work Dan. I like the "budget rebuild with more power" concept. If my 3.0 could just somehow start wearing out, perhaps I could justify such an upgrade.

I read a comment regarding the use of high impedance injectors in a low impedance system. You can use a high imp injector in a system designed for low imp, but not vice-versa. The response time of the injector will be slightly slower though. The fix is to remove the ballast resistors that bumps the impedance from 13 ohms down to 2-3. I did this on my Supra so I could run Mazda RX7 550 cc high impedance injectors and it works like a champ with no side effects. That said, I can't find an injector resistor module on my 3vz-e, so I question if this motor actually uses high imp injectors. Typically low imp are only used in high performance applications.

On the AFM swap...it makes sense to use a 5M-GE Supra AFM on a modded 22R-E, however the 5M-GE made between 145 and 160 hp, so I doubt that it is much different than the one used on the 3v-ze. It might be better to use the 7M-GE AFM (it is also a flapper door style while the turbo version uses a Karman Vortex) and that motor made similar hp and torque numbers to what this swap will produce. The Camry AFM looks like a flapper door style too.

Perhaps these items aren't necessary. An adjustable fuel pressure regulator can go a long way in increasing fuel delivery.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of whether or not all this will fit under the hood on a non-body lifted truck.
Reply
Old Aug 14, 2004 | 01:06 PM
  #140  
Dan_90SR5's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 370
Likes: 0
From: Middle TN
Originally Posted by paddlenbike
Nice work Dan. I like the "budget rebuild with more power" concept. If my 3.0 could just somehow start wearing out, perhaps I could justify such an upgrade.

I read a comment regarding the use of high impedance injectors in a low impedance system. You can use a high imp injector in a system designed for low imp, but not vice-versa. The response time of the injector will be slightly slower though. The fix is to remove the ballast resistors that bumps the impedance from 13 ohms down to 2-3. I did this on my Supra so I could run Mazda RX7 550 cc high impedance injectors and it works like a champ with no side effects. That said, I can't find an injector resistor module on my 3vz-e, so I question if this motor actually uses high imp injectors. Typically low imp are only used in high performance applications.

On the AFM swap...it makes sense to use a 5M-GE Supra AFM on a modded 22R-E, however the 5M-GE made between 145 and 160 hp, so I doubt that it is much different than the one used on the 3v-ze. It might be better to use the 7M-GE AFM (it is also a flapper door style while the turbo version uses a Karman Vortex) and that motor made similar hp and torque numbers to what this swap will produce. The Camry AFM looks like a flapper door style too.

Perhaps these items aren't necessary. An adjustable fuel pressure regulator can go a long way in increasing fuel delivery.

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see any mention of whether or not all this will fit under the hood on a non-body lifted truck.
I have my injectors out in the shop, so I'll look them uo to be sure if they are high or low independence or not. Thanks for the info on the injectors though. I'll be able to use that later when I start working on the '93 Celica (next summer).

I thought that we were talking about using the AFM from the 7M......maybe I'm wrong....let me look at the start of my write-up to see. Yes, we werer talking about using the 7M AFM along with the injectors. When I looked them up before they were listed as the same independence, but I didn't have my 3VZ-E injectors in hand to be sure which I had. Reason that I say that is because I have 3 5S engines here......all have different injectors.

And lastly, I'm not positive about this fitting into a none BL Runner. That was one of my concerns. I just did a suspension lift and a 2" BL on my 4Runner a few months ago, so I'll have to take some good measurements. If not, the Camry intake should fit just fine. You'd just have to overcome the fact that it will face the back of the engine bay at a 45 degree angle.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:07 AM.