No hose yet, but I visited a fabricator who has done some custom intakes for off road rigs and he had some awesome ideas. Some will be implemented into my design.

It's not going to be as simple as just getting some hose...

Can anyone measure the inside and outside diameter on the inlet for the throttle body?

I'd measure mine, but my existing hose has a slight tear at the end and I'm afraid if I remove it again, it will let go and I'll need to buy a new one that I'll just have to sell soon after I get my custom setup done.

Any help would be appreciated...

 

I miced it out with a set of calipers and the OD is just over 2 3/4" the ID is just over 2 1/2". I didn'y measure the lip since that is bigger to help hold the hose on, but I'd say it's about 2 7/8".

I have a thought here too. What size is the 7M-GE TB? I mean if the AFM is about 3", shouldn't the TB be about the same size? I'm going to look into that since I was going to do a custom spacer to use the stock TB anyway. The 5VZ-FE TB has me concerned with the extra sensor on it. The 7M TB should be very similar to the 3VZ one since they were designed in the same time era.

 

I had the same thought Dan , but the yard I use primarily won't part out the engine stuff itself. Maybe I can talk them into it...

Thanks for the measurements...

 

Why not mount up a couple of spare tires on the rear for a Dyno run? They are stock size plus you already have one. They are somewhat easy to find for cheap at salvage yards or I'm sure someone would loan you one for the day.

I think I can safely speak for most everyone when I say Dyno results are going to virtually be mandatory to cap off an undertaking like this...

 

I have decided to dyno test since that post. I agree that is the only way to prove my point, though the results should be the same as a Camry. I would however, like to find someone in the TN/KY area running 31s on a stock engine to dyno test also for a base number. Stock HP might be 140hp at the crank but only about 108hp based on the norm of 23% drivetrain loss on RWD vehicles. The Camry was rated 190hp at the crank but should dyno at 146hp........I'll be happy with 140hp at the wheels......that will make this a success in my book, because on top of all the extra hp, this swap makes it possible to mount the suercharger and have quality headers that due away with the crappy cross-over pipe headache. Plus, for a comparison, the 5VZ-FE should make the same on the dyno.

Side note.......I haven't gotten the call to pick up my engine yet and it's Wednesday. I'm kind of bummed about that. The good side to that is that I'm working on another thing that I was told cant be done. lifting my gas tank up because of my BL. That should take car of driveshaft, clearance and 4 link issues.

 

EDIT:

Are the front bolt/stud patterns identicle btwn both AFMs? Im thinking having the FIPK adaptor plate's opening machined to open it up to fit the intake. Considering it's aluminum it should be REALLY easy to do even with a hand operated milling machine.

 

I just dug up a TSRM online and compared the VAFMs. The resistance output ranges are 100% identicle btwn theirs and ours.

http://www.cygnusx1.net/supra/librar...fi/FI_094.html

So this means more air will be flowing to our engines and the ECU not directly knowing it.... So the big question is, would the o2 sensor let the ECU know about it being a bit lean and would the ECU be capable of compensating? (I think it can, but I do not have the technical knowledge to say.)

Anyone know just how rich the NA 3vze runs when at WOT?

Another HUGELY INTERESTING thought is that the 7M-GE owners (with the VAFMs) have been doing a MAF sensor conversions. I imagine this could benifit us somehow.....since both VAFMs outputs are 100% identicle.

Also when you do get the piping for that VAFM here is an online place that sells the adaptor hoses for turbo system's piping. http://www.hosetechniques.com/

Thus far it looks like the 7MGE's TB isnt compatible with the 3VZE's vaccum lines.... The TPS sensor on the 7MGE also has a hair wider range on a few of the checks....not sure that a 7MGE TB would be a good easy mod.

Thoughts?

 

ttt - anyone alive out there?

 

you might be able to use resistors to make tps sensor readouts right or maybe adapt the 3vz tps to the 7mge tb

 

did some math:

7mge
inlet area: 4.786 sq inches
outlet area: 6.605 sq inches

3vze
inlet area: 3.686 sq inches
outlet area: 5.269 sq inches = TB inlet area

So even the 7M-GE's VAFM's inlet area is less than our current TB inlet area.... Perhaps that MAFS conversion is sounding better after all....

As far as the TB question, that should work, however that still leaves the vacuum hoses and I doubt that this TB will just bolt up. It cant be that easy....lol A mounting plate shouldnt be too hard to make I dont thing.......

 

can you post a link to the page about the mafs conversions?

 

here is the proposition of the idea:
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...n&pagenumber=3

Here is the group buy for Mark II supras (there is a guy on there who posted about getting one of these for his 22RE!) :
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...AND+conversion


They are talking about this conversion kit:
Click Products -> MAF conversions -> 3.0 conversion
http://www.splitsec.com/

Interesting discussion pertaining to the kit:
http://www.supraforums.com/forum/sho...AND+conversion
Cliff Notes: The mod wont produce HP by itself if the rest of the car is stock, however you SHOULD see gains if the exhaust and rest of the intake is modded. I think this is RIGHT up Dan's alley, particularly since he will be turbo'ing the 3vzfe he's building.


There are a lot more links, im digging them up too. I love these dynowhore mark II and III bretheren of ours engineering all this cool stuff that works on our engines! lol

 

at 700+ I think I'll stick to the 7mge afm and maybe see if I can bore it out

 

HUH? where do you get 700+ from?

They listed the adapter as being ~350 without a group buy, you supply the ford MAF sensor (50 from a junkyard,) then buy the IAT sensor for 50 and the harness for 50.

They also have a kit available or did you already call and get that price from them?

 

MAF 3 Kit - A ARC2-A, ARM1, MAF3, MAFH
$855
MAF 3 Kit - P PSC1-004, ARM1, MAF3, MAFH
$737

and even with the method you're describing its still $500. I can get a 7mge afm for ~50 and then maybe spend 100 on machine work and thats all I need. 500 is a lot considering the total of dan's swap is about $1100.

 

Did this build go anywhere? I have been reading with a lot of interest.

 

I was wondering also!

 

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Dan to come back on this. He seems to have vanished, hope he's ok.

 

I still talk to him on occasion. He's gotten busy with other things. He also is going to do a lot of custom work on it so it won't really be repeatable for others. He just kinda got fed up with the boards.

 

Well glad to hear he's ok.