Originally Posted by bump530

Looks good. Whats the specs on the 2nd gen? I like how it sits.

Originally Posted by liveoffroad

A guy on pirate actually came up with this idea and i was so impressed that i'm going to be doing something very similar. he went +3" on both sides, i'm only going to do the short side, and i can get an off-the-shelf axle shaft as well as the +3 wide High steer from trail gear from their IFS width rock assault axle to match. i'll do a full write up on it all once i gather all the parts so i can dive in
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/toyot...right-way.html

Originally Posted by liveoffroad

3.4 swap w/auto trans, gear driven case, TG Taco width front housing with 1.5" spacers on rear to match, TG 4" front and 5" rear leaves. 35" mtr's

Originally Posted by Gizler00

Really looks like a blast.

Originally Posted by kornhuskerwizard

Flex in out.love it.

Originally Posted by rattlewagon

I saw that thread too, thought dam thats a good idea. Wish he would have made that thread before I finished building my axle.

Originally Posted by bump530

Nice. I like the 2nd gens builds. Can't wait to get line going

Originally Posted by liveoffroad

i'm not claiming to be an expert, but i've screwed around with these springs with different configurations for 4 years now and i'd venture to guess that i've done more research on the chevy springs than most. first of all, the 2wd springs can have 2 or 3 leaves, plus the overload. the 4x4 half ton springs can either have 3 or 4 leaves plus overload, but the 4 leaf packs are extremely hard to find. these are the ones i have right now. i ran the standard 4x4 3 leaf packs for 2 years and they were way too soft so i tracked down the 4 leaf packs and swapped them in. it did not help out at all. keep in mind that this is with the overload removed. if you leave the overload in, they can be fairly firm when loaded since they will ride on the overload, however i found that when they contact the overload frequently it makes for a rough ride, which negates the point of running these springs (thats why i pulled the overload).
so that's why i added the toyota leaves, it was to make it more FIRM, not less. the only way your going to get a better hauling capacity is to leave the overload in but then they ride like crap. there's a picture of my current springs when i first put them on on page 9. (this was before i pulled the overload and 1 leaf)
'83 trail rig- i'd try to talk you out of running these springs, i think aftermarket lift springs will provide a much better overall ride. just my 2 cents tho

Originally Posted by SqWADoosh

My question to your advice to run All-Pros is that they state on their website that their springs are not meant for holding any load. Is this simply something that they put on there to cover their ass or can you expect a sag with their springs because of this? They also say to buy 1" higher in the rears if you have a 4Runner. Is this something that everyone pretty much does standard? I'm in the market for new springs myself and I've been leaning towards All-Pros. Especially after I found out that Marlin's springs were simply All-Pros that he was selling under his name.

Originally Posted by liveoffroad

I'm not sure why they say they're not made to carry load, you might call them and ask what that's about. fact is, all springs are made to carry load haha but most aftermarket springs don't have an overload, while most stock ones do... so in that regard, i can understand why they can't guarantee their springs if your pulling heavy trailers or loading your truck full of gravel or whatnot...there's nothing to prevent the spring from inverting under a heavy load. for practical purposes, a tapered, progressive leaf pack like allpro's will provide the best ride, and hauling capacity (within reason). My current setup is a tapered setup like that but using the chevy leaves, and they handled weight much better than my original setup that always sagged down to the overload. I have heard some folks say that the trail-gear springs are a little soft in the back, especially for 4runners and i believe all-pro's have a higher spring rate, which is another reason i'd go with them.
as far as the height goes, all-pro's website just says to run a taller spring in the back since 4runners have a lot more weight in the back

Originally Posted by liveoffroad

thanks guys, it was a good time!


ya luckily i've been putting off high-steer for so long now that i'll be able to do all my front axle upgrades at once. i'm going to be doing 4x4labs high steer and a hp diff i think



ya the 2nd gen builds are rare

Originally Posted by liveoffroad

thanks ed! i can't claim to be original, most of my ideas are stolen from pouring through endless build threads. A guy on pirate actually came up with this idea and i was so impressed that i'm going to be doing something very similar. he went +3" on both sides, i'm only going to do the short side, and i can get an off-the-shelf axle shaft as well as the +3 wide High steer from trail gear from their IFS width rock assault axle to match. i'll do a full write up on it all once i gather all the parts so i can dive in
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/toyot...right-way.html

Originally Posted by SqWADoosh

So what is making you go with 4x4labs?

Originally Posted by liveoffroad

from their website: "We have developed steering systems that offer correct ackerman geometry..."
none of the others do this to my knowledge