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Old May 24, 2012 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Vudujoose
It's also because the engine has 218,000 original miles on it, and is nearing the end of it's life. I have a 3.4 / manual conversion going into it in a month or so, should get a bit better.
WOOT! lol... Right on, ....please, post a link up here when you start a thread/or if you HAVE ONE now that you'll be adding this swap to?

A buddy, Anthony1 on here, just finished and is JUST about to get it through the ref on the second try... Might look him up and check-see if you might find some good tips? (I know, there are MANY threads... but he did mention a few things I'd not seen on 'tricks', ya know?).

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Old May 24, 2012 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Y.Satchel
Recently purchased '87 4runner, 22re, 4x4, 5-speed, 14gal tank (which is funny since OG owners manual says it's 17.2!)

Tank 1: Philly to Upstate, NY, all Highway (225mi), 1 day of commuting (60mi): 285mi Total

Tank 2: Upstate, NY to Chicopee MA round-trip (120mi), a week of in-town driving (176mi) 296mi Total

So far It's looking like between 20-21MPG combined.

I attribute the fact that I got better mileage on tank two with LESS highway driving to the fact that on my first trip from Philly to NY, I was literally learning to drive stick on the way HAHAHA. Now that I got it down, I hope to keep it in the 18city/22-24HWY range if I can manage.
Couple questions;(Just curious, lol)>... :

1. What KIND of traffic conditions? LOTS of 'red lights', street and vehicle in this scenario?

2. Lots of hills?

3. In town, are you pretty much cruising without having to stop and go 20 times in as many minutes? (I know, part of #1, whatever, lol)...

4. What tires? (Sorry if I missed that...didn't see it)

* I ask because my 'conditions' are pretty much 'stop-go-stop-go' around 400 times in a half hour outing with lots of sitting at lights in between/live up a steep hill-2,000ft. in three quarters of a mile/4.30 gears x 31-10x50's ..... and I'm getting 12-14city(depending on skinny pedal usage lol) 20-21hwy if I keep it under 70mph.

BTW, CONGRATZ! lol... I don't begrudge ya for having a tip-top runner! lol.
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Old May 24, 2012 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by ChefYota4x4
Couple questions;(Just curious, lol)>... :

1. What KIND of traffic conditions? LOTS of 'red lights', street and vehicle in this scenario?

2. Lots of hills?

3. In town, are you pretty much cruising without having to stop and go 20 times in as many minutes? (I know, part of #1, whatever, lol)...

4. What tires? (Sorry if I missed that...didn't see it)

* I ask because my 'conditions' are pretty much 'stop-go-stop-go' around 400 times in a half hour outing with lots of sitting at lights in between/live up a steep hill-2,000ft. in three quarters of a mile/4.30 gears x 31-10x50's ..... and I'm getting 12-14city(depending on skinny pedal usage lol) 20-21hwy if I keep it under 70mph.

BTW, CONGRATZ! lol... I don't begrudge ya for having a tip-top runner! lol.
1. I live in what is called a small city, but is really a large town that is sorta "city-like" There are stop lights at every intersection on the main drag, and often stop signs on the side-streets. There isn't really any "traffic"--as in congestion--though, so not too much stop-n-go on that front

2. It's a riverside town, so it's kinda on one gradual hill down towards the Hudson River. I drive twice down and twice up each day going to and from work/lunch. Often run errands nearby after. On a normal workday with no special excursions I'd be hard pressed to top 10-15 miles.

3. Like I said, there are lights and signs. I stop at lights, and rolling stop at signs in first-gear when I can.

4. Same tire size as you. They were on the truck when I got it. Grabbers I believe.

But keep in mind that both the tanks I posted stats on were OVER 60% HIGHWAY driving, which is NOT my usual routine. They were also estimates based on tallies of miles done after the fact. I just filled up my third tank Last Friday--taking care to set my mile counter to 0 this time!-- and have only driven 47miles! Needle still hasn't dropped below FULL! But it's also a totally weird needle that usually stays at "F" for the first 80 miles, then drops fast through the middle quarters of the tank, only to take another 100 or so to go from quarter to E.

I also drive what I think is fairly conservatively, but as I said I am new to stick, so i don't know. But I shift between 2500-3000rpm, am gentle on the clutch and gas, and don't ever really gun/revv the engine. I seldom push more than 70-75 on the highway cuz the truck doesn't really feel stable past that :-)!

Anyway, hope that is of some help to you man...I'm sure my mileage will suffer eventually, though I really hope not!
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Old May 24, 2012 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ChefYota4x4
WOOT! lol... Right on, ....please, post a link up here when you start a thread/or if you HAVE ONE now that you'll be adding this swap to?

A buddy, Anthony1 on here, just finished and is JUST about to get it through the ref on the second try... Might look him up and check-see if you might find some good tips? (I know, there are MANY threads... but he did mention a few things I'd not seen on 'tricks', ya know?).

Best wishes
I actually upgraded a bit, bought a LS400 for $750, decided to do the 1uz swap instead.
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Old May 24, 2012 | 02:47 PM
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Im sporting a 91 4runner 3vze, 6 inch lift on 36 inch swamper tsls and im getting 13 in town with moderate lights and stops. Im pretty light on the pedal to where people aren't so happy haha. I try to keep her under 2k rpms
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Old Jun 3, 2012 | 08:32 PM
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94 4runner 5speed swap with stock auto 4.88 gears isr mod punched out the cat and got manual hubs 2inch suspension 2inch body lift with 35s getting 16+mpg 70%city and 30% highway and i drice her hard love racing beat lots of explorers and cherokees even a few hondas
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Old Jun 3, 2012 | 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by black914runner
94 4runner 5speed swap with stock auto 4.88 gears isr mod punched out the cat and got manual hubs 2inch suspension 2inch body lift with 35s getting 16+mpg 70%city and 30% highway and i drice her hard love racing beat lots of explorers and cherokees even a few hondas
v6 or 4 cyl?
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Old Jun 3, 2012 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 89StormTrooper
v6 or 4 cyl?
Was wondering that too... but, rereading it, I think the ISR mod is only on the 3.0(???) And stock 4.88's? That sounds like a stock 3.0 Auto... But again, I have no clue, lol.

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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 12:50 AM
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I got 18mpg on my last tank about 120 miles on the 101....
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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 12:23 PM
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Well, ...... 13.333mpg all HEAVY traffic "City" driving, no hwy, this tank... Very disappointed. BUT, I'll figure it out. I know sitting at lights through 2 cycles at times for 10 minutes... Sometimes up to 3-4 times in an outing.... Then, never able to 'roll' in any 3rd or 4th gear situations more than 10-20 seconds at a time, on average.... Then, taking on average around 20 minutes to go 4-5 miles to the 110Frwy from Crenshaw and PCH, Torrance, CA....Then, having to get up the 2 mile hill which is pretty steep, each time I head back home...... It's gotta be PART of my crappy mileage... but I doubt this much. BTW, I was babying the thing, the whole tank. ONLY time I have to push it is to get up Crenshaw from PCH, up the pretty steep hill to where I live. Gonna try to test out some Highway today, see if it's still around 20mpg. If so, then I guess it's not TOO off, but just using up some extra fuel in town for some reason. Meh, lol.
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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ChefYota4x4
Was wondering that too... but, rereading it, I think the ISR mod is only on the 3.0(???) And stock 4.88's? That sounds like a stock 3.0 Auto... But again, I have no clue, lol.
yea sorry its a 3.0 with 249,000 miles and counting
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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 02:06 PM
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24-25MPG running 245/75 Bridgestone V-Steel's
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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 03:44 PM
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Thanks, Black914, ... got it.

Well, I wasn't able to get on the freeway today, REALLY, hahaha...BUT;

First, the initial 8 miles or so I drove, yesterday, with my foot to the floor at times and, well, kinda 'skinny pedal heavy'.. BUT, Today, I then Drove from Palos Verdes to Long Beach, the 'back way'.... It's a LONG street for around 8-10 miles w/nearly no lights. That leads to the freeway for about 3 miles, then onto the Vincent St. Thomas Bridge(which is quite an arch but also doesn't require I really stop most of the way)... taking the bridges to Long Beach/Downtown... Bout 18miles each way, round trip of CITY/HWY(50/50)w/out much stopping and able to cruise in 3rd, 4th and even 5th at times most of the way, never over 55 though...... Then back to Torrance to fill up from wherever that'd taken me down to from full. I was at 43 Miles, took 2.5 Gallons= 17.2mpg. WHAT THE ????? lol. See, I KNEW my driving conditions/traffic around here had LOTS to do with it. That's around 80-90% of my driving, that CHAOS! lol. I STILL think it's just TOO LOW for even 'stop and go'(13.3 strictly stop and go drama)... And it seems to me that SOMETHING at idle and stop and go is EATING my fuel.

Gonna test strictly HWY at 65-70 MAX next.

WOW, 24-25MPG in a 3.4V6? NICE! lol. This is why guys finally go for the 1UZ from the 22RE.... I mean, the Lex-UZ's HAVE to be as reliable as the 22re, no? Plus nearly the same mileage and more than 2 times the power and torque? uhhhhhh! lol. Oh well, live and learn.

I wouldn't even mind a 3RZ, and considering there are SO MANY of those swaps, also... Good mileage, better power than the 22RE by a pretty decent margin, .... yeah. EVENTUALLY, I'm doing one or the other. NOT dogging the 22REEEEEK, lol... JUST this one has been a REAL PITA! Not even THIS motor, cuz this is the 3rd in 2 years, starting with original... still have the same freakin mystery miss and weird mileage stuff's, lol.
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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 06:13 PM
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I have a 92 4runner 3.0 auto trans with 32x12.50x15 tires and i get 15 mpg thats with stock gears and driving easy
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Old Jun 4, 2012 | 07:32 PM
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Old Jun 5, 2012 | 04:49 AM
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Because my truck goes towards 3000rpm on the highway, I wonder if highway driving is actually getting me worse gas milage than tooting around town. Food for thought.
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Old Jun 23, 2012 | 09:21 AM
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Just got 18.7... First 150-ish miles running on only 3 cylinders 90% of the time. Got almost 300 miles out of this tank. Drove her pretty hard when I was down a cylinder... near red line a few times just to keep up. I drive about 25 miles a day round trip, up to 50 mph, with a ton of stop lights. Looking forward to seeing the mileage on this next tank, but won't know for 2 weeks
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Old Jun 23, 2012 | 11:07 AM
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OK, .............this thread just amazes me.... NOT EVEN going to get into "This has to be nonsense" or any of that crap.... Pretty much take people at their word unless I can prove otherwise or the more common scenario; I just find out they are mistaken, by their own admission of "Oooops, that's the portion of the quotient that I messed up on".

My point in mentioning that is that, well, I've seen quotes on other threads that just seem, well, silly. 27MPG towing a trailer???? IN A 3.0? Anyway, like I said, NOT IMPORTANT to me... What's important to me is that, 1. I at least get close or better, here and there, regarding what THE STICKER ON THE WINDOW SAID! haha... And 2., that I figure out if something is wrong around town/if the lil miss I have at idle is actually something contributing to a lil more go-go-juice waste, etc.

Here's what I've found, recently(Regarding 3 tanks);

1. First tank, doing semi-city(drove to Long Beach, over the bridge, mostly at 35-45 the whole way without a lot of stops).... 17.5mpg upon filling up at 2.5 Gallons.

2. Second tank, Heading out to Arizona, from L.A./South Bay via the 91/710/105/605/210/ then 15 over the Cahon Pass and all the subsequent climbs there, stopping at the 40hwy Turnoff from the 15........ (130 Miles and 5.5 Gallons later = 23.333 MPG. / Considering 31" tires and 4.30 gears, around 24.22 MPG)........ Up to that point, I did NOT turn the A/C on, but I did use the cruise control, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ADAM!(Still can't thank you enough for how much that improved my 350Mi. Journey!!!). I also did my best to never go over 70mph, mostly doing 65mph(which wasn't that difficult considering there was a lil bit of a crowd leaving for Vegas over the Fathers Day Holiday.....GO DAD'S! haha/I noticed it was Vegas, more so, or other lakes, etc., because more people kept on the 15hwy toward Vegas, more so, than were following me onto the 40hwy toward Needles/Kingman/Lake Havasu.

3. Third tank, from 40/15Hwy's Junction, to Lake Havasu, AZ, A/C on most of the way, 70-75mph, heavy head winds at times(HOLY CRAPOLI, GUYS.... I'M SERIOUS, it was scary a couple times, man... Semi's all over the road, etc.... Worst I've seen in my trips out there), also using Cruise Control whenever possible, hahaha.... 175mi and 9 gallons later = 19.8 mpg ........ Considering 31" tires and 4.30 gears.... That's 20mpg on the dot.

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NONE of the aforementioned is a concern to me... , and in fact, I'm GRATEFUL for that with a 25 year old/mostly restored 4WD with pretty rudimentary EFI! The concern/or more so, 'curiosity', is in City Driving of the ole "SEA OF RED" in L.A./South Bay! That, still, is giving me around 14mpg, MAX! 10mpg gap? I guess it's possible with all the stop and go around town... But I'm still suspicious of my 'apparent' miss(mysterious gremlin from the 4th ring of hell! haha) being a culprit in my 'sucking a bit more go-go-juice in red light hell'! haha.

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Cheers, ya'all..... While I'm curious.... I will NOT be spending any substantial time, any time soon, under the hood trying to figure out IF OR NOT something is 'awry!' lol..... I'M COOL WITH THAT^^ , LOL. However, I'll still keep asking around for things to check, because.... after all, while 80% of this rig is either new parts or reconditioned, along with an obviously properly built 22REC(that's right, I said it! hahaha).... There are PLENTY of things still on there/within the wiring/ that could be a cause for the 'rumble in the jungle at idle', ya know? So I'll keep my ears open, and if something pops out at me, ... I'M ON IT! .........

.......Because, well, EVERYONE within their right mind wants to save a lil on Gas, NO?

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Old Jun 23, 2012 | 07:33 PM
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So, here's my contribution to the thread..
5/27/12: 346,167 mi, 13.285 gallons @$54.72.
6/23/12: 346,378 mi, 11.681 gallons @ $38.89.
Nearly a month, 211 miles indicated, but speedometer reads 60 MPH and GPS reads 54 MPH. So factoring in an estimated 10% error either way gives me 18-20 MPG (estimated). All city driving, with a few short expressway blasts.
Things I can do (hopefully)to up those numbers:
-new O2 sensor, its the original
-check plugs
-air filter
-new rotor, cap, wires
-correct temp thermostat
-maybe seafoam it
Now this motor went in at 327,xxx mi, due to previous abuses. So its not the original!
I need to put a cat back under it, hasn't had it since purchase in MT. Love my 22RE!
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Old Jun 24, 2012 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by ChefYota4x4

NONE of the aforementioned is a concern to me... , and in fact, I'm GRATEFUL for that with a 25 year old/mostly restored 4WD with pretty rudimentary EFI! The concern/or more so, 'curiosity', is in City Driving of the ole "SEA OF RED" in L.A./South Bay! That, still, is giving me around 14mpg, MAX! 10mpg gap? I guess it's possible with all the stop and go around town... But I'm still suspicious of my 'apparent' miss(mysterious gremlin from the 4th ring of hell! haha) being a culprit in my 'sucking a bit more go-go-juice in red light hell'! haha.

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So Chef I have some updates for you after owning the rig for nearly 2 months with PLENTY of in-town driving, and a few more LONG highway trips.

Worst Tank: 238mi. Solid 2 weeks of nothing but intown commuting to work, groceries, autozone, etc...Never driving more than 10-15 miles at a time, stop lights, stop signs, speeds between 10 and 45mph with plenty of shifting back and forth = 16.7MPG

Best Tank: 296mi. Returning from West Virginia to central NJ on my way back to NY. Pushed the tank til I was scared it would quit on me then filled up and had only a few drops left! This trip involved a gradual descent from around 2750', to close to sea level over the course of several hours. There was a good amount of coasting, but also a fair amount of climbing surprisingly as the descent was more of a "2 steps down-one step up-2 more down" type of affair. Most importantly, I rarely let the speedo creep above 60, and made sure to downshift when neccessary. = 20.98MPG

So all-in-all after measuring my trips much more exactly than I had in my first post in this thread, I can say that my truck seems to be performing exactly within spec. This is inspite of the fact that it still has a somewhat mysterious inconsistent idle (mostly high). I imagine if I got rid of the lift (2" OME) and went back to stock tires (got 31s now) I would maybe make it up to the 18city, 22hwy the manufacturer promised!

Just wanted to give you that update since there are a lot of people who have been guilty of not measuring accurately (myself included), or outright exaggerating, which I stay away from.

Your 13-14mpg intown could merely be the result of terrible traffic, because tho I do drive stop-and-go intown, there is never NYC/Cali style "traffic" where I live. Cuz it sounds like your highway is right inline with manufacturer estimates, if not a tad above!
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