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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 03:03 PM
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Sorry didnt quit see that. My fault will admit that. You have 22re correct so im assuming your needing wiring diagrahmof the way yours is laid out. Do u have any manuals? I have the 22re fsm link somewhere
Apologize for any rudeness on my part. No harm no foul, thanks for your gracious apology.
I don't have a physical copy of a manual, i am using this: http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/

EDIT: From the diagram and info on the "combometer"
Gauges and indicator
lights do not operate -> GAUGE fuse faulty
Wiring or ground faulty -> Replace fuse and check for
short
The fuse is good and all the in cab grounds i can find are good. Hence my looking for sensor problems.
I have not found a diagram for the engine side of the harness.

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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SpeedCrazy
Apologize for any rudeness on my part. No harm no foul, thanks for your gracious apology.
I don't have a physical copy of a manual, i am using this: http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/

EDIT: From the diagram and info on the "combometer"

The fuse is good and all the in cab grounds i can find are good. Hence my looking for sensor problems.
I have not found a diagram for the engine side of the harness.
Ah ok. Same one i do. Im assuming your using this one

http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf

Ive never had to do it but only thing ive had to mess with is the speedoar in the tranny. Bigger tires sure do put it off and such
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrussanation
Ah ok. Same one i do. Im assuming your using this one

http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf

Ive never had to do it but only thing ive had to mess with is the speedoar in the tranny. Bigger tires sure do put it off and such
Yup that's the one.
Speedoar?
I'm convinced because the fuel gauge and the idiot lights work that the gauge cluster is good, but i cant figure out any other solutions. The vss should be good as i have no error codes for it and i'm still not sure on the temp sensor sender...
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 03:44 PM
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Yup that's the one.
Speedoar?
I'm convinced because the fuel gauge and the idiot lights work that the gauge cluster is good, but i cant figure out any other solutions. The vss should be good as i have no error codes for it and i'm still not sure on the temp sensor sender...
See if you can find someone who has a tach. Then u can at least see if your getting the signal to your cluster by removing the plugs testing it that way. Or is that possible?
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Scrussanation
See if you can find someone who has a tach. Then u can at least see if your getting the signal to your cluster by removing the plugs testing it that way. Or is that possible?
I have an aftermarket tach on the steering column, wait you mean a cluster. Hmm. Both the yota guys i know round here have the same cluster as me... i wonder i need to just spring for a sr5 cluster and take it from there. I hate to spend the money and not know if that will fix it.
I think i remember a way to test the vss, i might try that see if i can get a response out of the gauge, might be easier to do the temp sensor but im still in the dark as to which one that is...(if someone with a 22re could post a pic that would be awesome, i'm not usually this dense...)
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Old Jun 15, 2013 | 04:51 PM
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So i had an idea for testing for a ground short or something similar.
I don't have a vss error code, but if i unplugged the vss i ought to right? Well i don't...
The check engine light works, i tested it by unplugging the tps again and it immediately came on but i can un plug, plug and short the vss cable all day and no error. This makes me think that i have a short somewhere. That or my ecu is screwed(i sincerely hope not).
Any ideas/thoughts?
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Old Jun 17, 2013 | 05:39 AM
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So i had an idea for testing for a ground short or something similar.
I don't have a vss error code, but if i unplugged the vss i ought to right? Well i don't...
The check engine light works, i tested it by unplugging the tps again and it immediately came on but i can un plug, plug and short the vss cable all day and no error. This makes me think that i have a short somewhere. That or my ecu is screwed(i sincerely hope not).
Any ideas/thoughts?
Could this be caused by bad engine grounds? Because while on first inspection i had good grounds(as in i could see them attach to the firewall) both my battery ground and my engine block ground are corroded and broken.
I plan to fix them anyway as soon as i get some wires and such but wanted to know if that could cause the issues i am having now.(cause if not it might be a while till i get to it)
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 11:15 AM
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Well all my grounds and power cables are replaced and the gauge cluster still does not work. I am running out of ideas on this one so if anyone knows where i could get a dash cluster sr5 or standard for cheap please speak up. (the junkyards around here do not have any toyotas currently)
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 11:36 AM
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An awful lot of dialog, when all he wanted was :

http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf

The temp sensor for the combo-meter is a single wire connection; the ECT for the ECU is a 2-wire, and so is the Cold Start Injector Time Switch. So they are hard to mix up.

The oil pressure switch is also 1-wire, but it's on the other side of the block.
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 12:19 PM
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An awful lot of dialog, when all he wanted was :

http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf

The temp sensor for the combo-meter is a single wire connection; the ECT for the ECU is a 2-wire, and so is the Cold Start Injector Time Switch. So they are hard to mix up.

The oil pressure switch is also 1-wire, but it's on the other side of the block.
Thanks for the link, i have it bookmarked 3 times i think
We have progressed beyond figuring out which wire is which and are now trying to figure out why i have no errors and no signal.
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 12:43 PM
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... I don't have a error code, but if i unplugged the vss i ought to right? Well i don't...
No, not just from unplugging it. To get code 42:
"SPD signal is not input to the ECM for at
least 8 seconds during high load driving
with engine speed between 2,200 rpm
and 5,000 rpm."

Did you do any of the tests on page BE-36? Sure beats horsing around with grounds or replacement Combination meters.
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 12:48 PM
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No, not just from unplugging it. To get code 42:
"SPD signal is not input to the ECM for at
least 8 seconds during high load driving
with engine speed between 2,200 rpm
and 5,000 rpm."

Did you do any of the tests on page BE-36? Sure beats horsing around with grounds or replacement Combination meters.
I drove it for a day with it unplugged and no error. Now that i have replaced the grounds i am going to try the same thing again.
BE-36? How do i get there? The navigation is less than intuitive.
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 01:05 PM
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You go to the page for "Combination meter," http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf , then look for the page number where you'd look for the page number.

You've removed/reinstalled the cluster (not to mention a whole bunch of postings here), without ever looking at the manual? Does that sound like a good idea?
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Old Jul 4, 2013 | 01:24 PM
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You go to the page for "Combination meter," http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf , then look for the page number where you'd look for the page number.

You've removed/reinstalled the cluster (not to mention a whole bunch of postings here), without ever looking at the manual? Does that sound like a good idea?
In the context of combination meter i could have found the page to which you refer, but otherwise i would have been reduced to clicking on every link in the index to check page numbers. Thank you for your further information.

I would agree doing all the things i have done to my truck without looking at the manual would be stupid, however i have looked at the manual. I have looked at the manual extensively, and as i mentioned it features in my bookmarks bar no less than THREE times, but i am afraid it hardly relates to removing the cluster. It does not detail the removal of the cluster in any way shape or form. It did however give me the instructions and wiring diagram to check the grounds. Which i did.
As to the tests you indicated. There are no tests for the speedometer, only an inspection of the vss and as until yesterday i did not have a multimeter i could not preform that inspection.
The temperature gauge; it suggested checking grounds, which i did and it suggested grounding it out. Might i ask how you would ground it out without a ground? Now that all my grounds are operational i can perform that test.
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