PArtially Working Gauge Cluster, can't figure it out.
#21
I don't have a physical copy of a manual, i am using this: http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/
EDIT: From the diagram and info on the "combometer"
Gauges and indicator
lights do not operate -> GAUGE fuse faulty
Wiring or ground faulty -> Replace fuse and check for
short
lights do not operate -> GAUGE fuse faulty
Wiring or ground faulty -> Replace fuse and check for
short
I have not found a diagram for the engine side of the harness.
Last edited by SpeedCrazy; Jun 15, 2013 at 03:08 PM.
#22
Apologize for any rudeness on my part. No harm no foul, thanks for your gracious apology.
I don't have a physical copy of a manual, i am using this: http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/
EDIT: From the diagram and info on the "combometer"
The fuse is good and all the in cab grounds i can find are good. Hence my looking for sensor problems.
I have not found a diagram for the engine side of the harness.
I don't have a physical copy of a manual, i am using this: http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-buchanan/93fsm/
EDIT: From the diagram and info on the "combometer"
The fuse is good and all the in cab grounds i can find are good. Hence my looking for sensor problems.
I have not found a diagram for the engine side of the harness.
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf
Ive never had to do it but only thing ive had to mess with is the speedoar in the tranny. Bigger tires sure do put it off and such
#23
Ah ok. Same one i do. Im assuming your using this one
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf
Ive never had to do it but only thing ive had to mess with is the speedoar in the tranny. Bigger tires sure do put it off and such
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf
Ive never had to do it but only thing ive had to mess with is the speedoar in the tranny. Bigger tires sure do put it off and such
Speedoar?
I'm convinced because the fuel gauge and the idiot lights work that the gauge cluster is good, but i cant figure out any other solutions. The vss should be good as i have no error codes for it and i'm still not sure on the temp sensor sender...
#24
Yup that's the one.
Speedoar?
I'm convinced because the fuel gauge and the idiot lights work that the gauge cluster is good, but i cant figure out any other solutions. The vss should be good as i have no error codes for it and i'm still not sure on the temp sensor sender...
Speedoar?
I'm convinced because the fuel gauge and the idiot lights work that the gauge cluster is good, but i cant figure out any other solutions. The vss should be good as i have no error codes for it and i'm still not sure on the temp sensor sender...
#25
I think i remember a way to test the vss, i might try that see if i can get a response out of the gauge, might be easier to do the temp sensor but im still in the dark as to which one that is...(if someone with a 22re could post a pic that would be awesome, i'm not usually this dense...)
#26
So i had an idea for testing for a ground short or something similar.
I don't have a vss error code, but if i unplugged the vss i ought to right? Well i don't...
The check engine light works, i tested it by unplugging the tps again and it immediately came on but i can un plug, plug and short the vss cable all day and no error. This makes me think that i have a short somewhere. That or my ecu is screwed(i sincerely hope not).
Any ideas/thoughts?
I don't have a vss error code, but if i unplugged the vss i ought to right? Well i don't...
The check engine light works, i tested it by unplugging the tps again and it immediately came on but i can un plug, plug and short the vss cable all day and no error. This makes me think that i have a short somewhere. That or my ecu is screwed(i sincerely hope not).
Any ideas/thoughts?
#27
So i had an idea for testing for a ground short or something similar.
I don't have a vss error code, but if i unplugged the vss i ought to right? Well i don't...
The check engine light works, i tested it by unplugging the tps again and it immediately came on but i can un plug, plug and short the vss cable all day and no error. This makes me think that i have a short somewhere. That or my ecu is screwed(i sincerely hope not).
Any ideas/thoughts?
I don't have a vss error code, but if i unplugged the vss i ought to right? Well i don't...
The check engine light works, i tested it by unplugging the tps again and it immediately came on but i can un plug, plug and short the vss cable all day and no error. This makes me think that i have a short somewhere. That or my ecu is screwed(i sincerely hope not).
Any ideas/thoughts?
I plan to fix them anyway as soon as i get some wires and such but wanted to know if that could cause the issues i am having now.(cause if not it might be a while till i get to it)
#28
Well all my grounds and power cables are replaced and the gauge cluster still does not work. I am running out of ideas on this one so if anyone knows where i could get a dash cluster sr5 or standard for cheap please speak up. (the junkyards around here do not have any toyotas currently)
#29
An awful lot of dialog, when all he wanted was :
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf
The temp sensor for the combo-meter is a single wire connection; the ECT for the ECU is a 2-wire, and so is the Cold Start Injector Time Switch. So they are hard to mix up.
The oil pressure switch is also 1-wire, but it's on the other side of the block.
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf
The temp sensor for the combo-meter is a single wire connection; the ECT for the ECU is a 2-wire, and so is the Cold Start Injector Time Switch. So they are hard to mix up.
The oil pressure switch is also 1-wire, but it's on the other side of the block.
#30
An awful lot of dialog, when all he wanted was :
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf
The temp sensor for the combo-meter is a single wire connection; the ECT for the ECU is a 2-wire, and so is the Cold Start Injector Time Switch. So they are hard to mix up.
The oil pressure switch is also 1-wire, but it's on the other side of the block.
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf
The temp sensor for the combo-meter is a single wire connection; the ECT for the ECU is a 2-wire, and so is the Cold Start Injector Time Switch. So they are hard to mix up.
The oil pressure switch is also 1-wire, but it's on the other side of the block.

We have progressed beyond figuring out which wire is which and are now trying to figure out why i have no errors and no signal.
#31
"SPD signal is not input to the ECM for at
least 8 seconds during high load driving
with engine speed between 2,200 rpm
and 5,000 rpm."
Did you do any of the tests on page BE-36? Sure beats horsing around with grounds or replacement Combination meters.
#32
No, not just from unplugging it. To get code 42:
"SPD signal is not input to the ECM for at
least 8 seconds during high load driving
with engine speed between 2,200 rpm
and 5,000 rpm."
Did you do any of the tests on page BE-36? Sure beats horsing around with grounds or replacement Combination meters.
"SPD signal is not input to the ECM for at
least 8 seconds during high load driving
with engine speed between 2,200 rpm
and 5,000 rpm."
Did you do any of the tests on page BE-36? Sure beats horsing around with grounds or replacement Combination meters.
BE-36? How do i get there? The navigation is less than intuitive.
#33
You go to the page for "Combination meter," http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf , then look for the page number where you'd look for the page number.
You've removed/reinstalled the cluster (not to mention a whole bunch of postings here), without ever looking at the manual? Does that sound like a good idea?
You've removed/reinstalled the cluster (not to mention a whole bunch of postings here), without ever looking at the manual? Does that sound like a good idea?
#34
You go to the page for "Combination meter," http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b.../6combinat.pdf , then look for the page number where you'd look for the page number.
You've removed/reinstalled the cluster (not to mention a whole bunch of postings here), without ever looking at the manual? Does that sound like a good idea?
You've removed/reinstalled the cluster (not to mention a whole bunch of postings here), without ever looking at the manual? Does that sound like a good idea?
I would agree doing all the things i have done to my truck without looking at the manual would be stupid, however i have looked at the manual. I have looked at the manual extensively, and as i mentioned it features in my bookmarks bar no less than THREE times, but i am afraid it hardly relates to removing the cluster. It does not detail the removal of the cluster in any way shape or form. It did however give me the instructions and wiring diagram to check the grounds. Which i did.
As to the tests you indicated. There are no tests for the speedometer, only an inspection of the vss and as until yesterday i did not have a multimeter i could not preform that inspection.
The temperature gauge; it suggested checking grounds, which i did and it suggested grounding it out. Might i ask how you would ground it out without a ground? Now that all my grounds are operational i can perform that test.
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