Notices
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with IFS

Header worth it?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old May 21, 2006 | 02:29 PM
  #1  
zombi's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh PA
Header worth it?

I am debating on getting a pace setter header. I am also getting a cold air kit for the air filter. Will this eliminate the hose from the airbox to the resonator, and can I eliminate the resonator and reed valve if I install the header? Will the check engine light come on?
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 03:11 PM
  #2  
InternetRoadkill's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,192
Likes: 6
From: San Antonio, Texas
Pace Setter are not the best headers out there. The only thing they have going for them is that they are cheap. But there is a reason for that. The quality is not very good.

The reasonator is rather harmless. It doesn't really do much one way or the other to engine performance. Removing it shouldn't cause the CEL to come on. The better brand of header kits have models which are smog legal and allow you to keep the smog control stuff in place.
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 03:27 PM
  #3  
tc's Avatar
tc
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 8,875
Likes: 3
From: Longmont, CO
I had a Pacesetter on my last Toyota and fought exhaust leaks constantly at the head flange.
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 03:45 PM
  #4  
Sonofmayhem's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 1,671
Likes: 0
From: Springs, Colorado
Its called rtv works wonders on leaks. i would like to know too, i have a header sitting in my garage that i wanna put on soon.
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 03:48 PM
  #5  
tc's Avatar
tc
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 8,875
Likes: 3
From: Longmont, CO
NO RTV will hold up to exhaust temps. I know cuz I tried them ALL.
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 04:08 PM
  #6  
zombi's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh PA
Thanks for the reply. I am looking at the pacesetter because of the price. I am not to concerned about the emissions, I'd like to do away with every thing related. I have $400 total invested in the 4runner and am trying to keep it as budgeted as possible.
Will I notice any change in MPG or HP? I am planning a flowmaster muffler because I have one I'm not using.
Thanks, Dan
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 04:11 PM
  #7  
FOCUSHERE's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 198
Likes: 0
i work on the hh60 (blackhawk) and rtv works great on our eng compartments lol
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 04:31 PM
  #8  
Elton's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,261
Likes: 7
From: Siletz,Oregon
i used a vavle cover filter on my resonator and made a custom intake tube for my k&n fipk and anlong with a lce header and 2-1/4 exhaust all the way back that 22re made some good power for haveing 166k on a stock motor.... i bet adding a cam and overesize vavles would of made that 22re pretty quick.......a header was the best $330 bucks i ever spent on my truck so i would say a header is the best upgrade on a 22re

Last edited by Elton; May 21, 2006 at 06:12 PM.
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 04:45 PM
  #9  
zombi's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh PA
Does the resonator need to be there if your running a cold air intake?
I took off my resanator and plugged it by the AS Reed valve. Is this bad? does it need to breath, or is it OK plugged? I did this because looking at a diagram, it goes from the air box to the resonator to the AS Reed valve to the exhaust manifold. I want to elimate everything completely and run a header with no emmissions. I assume I'll have to plug the vaccum lie off the reed valve to the VSV.
I am not ignorant when it comes to engines, but new to toyota engines.
Is what I'm doing OK, will it harm anything or effect the performance & or gas milage in a good way?
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 04:47 PM
  #10  
Elton's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,261
Likes: 7
From: Siletz,Oregon
just do what i did and get a vavle cover breather filter less than $5 bucks

Last edited by Elton; May 21, 2006 at 05:14 PM.
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 06:06 PM
  #11  
taikowaza's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 784
Likes: 1
From: Dakotas
go with downey or thorley or NWOR.
pacesetter's flanges are thin.
you will regret it later.
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 06:07 PM
  #12  
Elton's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,261
Likes: 7
From: Siletz,Oregon
well if you want to deal with nwor go for it
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 06:18 PM
  #13  
InternetRoadkill's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 1,192
Likes: 6
From: San Antonio, Texas
The only thing that I can think of that might happen if you remove the resonator is that the unburned hydrocarbon emissions will likely go up. The cat may not like that.

Removing all the smog gear may cause problems for the computer -- especially the EGR system.

Avoid NWOR. The 4wd message boards are full of horror stories about those guys.
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 06:22 PM
  #14  
Elton's Avatar
Contributing Member
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 12,261
Likes: 7
From: Siletz,Oregon
i think lce headers are the best for 22res i dont like how doweney uses clamps for there headers and also the cost
Reply
Old May 21, 2006 | 09:22 PM
  #15  
trythis's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 669
Likes: 0
From: Kansas City
If your tryin to go cheap, just use the nicely designed stock manifold and use 2" tubes to the cat then 2.25 tubes out the back. THats what I have read as best bang for the buck improvement. Engine Builder (EB) has posted that many many times, and 4x4wire.com (not online fora week now) had a write up by EB on the engine. He has said that the headers by all of the above mentioned were tested in comparison to the stock manifold and the differences were not worth the cost. In some cases the stock was better.
If you havent noticed, polar ices caps are melting and polar bears are going to be extinct ,among many other nasty things we are doing to ourselves. Perhaps you could leave that emmissions stuff where it is. Its probably cheaper to use it if it still works and some of us critters would like you to not add more polution.
BTW, disableing the EGR system seems to screw things, like gas mileage.

You might think about getting a 268 cam, as those are popular upgrades, since you're looking into things.

Last edited by trythis; May 21, 2006 at 09:27 PM.
Reply
Old May 22, 2006 | 08:12 AM
  #16  
zombi's Avatar
Thread Starter
Registered User
 
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 11
Likes: 0
From: Pittsburgh PA
Thats the thing, my stock manifold is cracked. Thats why I'm looking at headers.
Reply
Old May 22, 2006 | 10:08 AM
  #17  
trythis's Avatar
Registered User
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 669
Likes: 0
From: Kansas City
A-ha! Are you considering a used one, stock? Wouldnt be as fun, but cheaper.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
TheBFA
Solid Axle Swaps, All Years
8
Feb 15, 2020 06:55 AM
Thamuel_
Domestic Swaps
1
Oct 3, 2015 11:15 AM
voiddweller
86-95 Trucks & 4Runners
16
Sep 28, 2015 11:21 PM
toyotasaurus
Vehicles - Trailers (Complete)
0
Sep 24, 2015 03:30 PM
sonorn67
84-85 Trucks & 4Runners
3
Sep 19, 2015 05:39 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 07:16 AM.