may be SOME differences, but I believe those differences are negligible. we used my 1992 FSM to do the work on his motor. But I did research the hell outta stuff so I was sure we were correct with torque specs etc.

I have a bunch of pics (although I posted most of the good ones right here) and can take pics of whatever you need.

DON'T ask me about the timing belt, because even though I struggled to get it right, I still had it wrong and it made for a panicky midnight fix on the night we 1st started up Joe's motor (had worked on it all day and finally turned the key after midnight).

 

Big news! We've been working pretty hard on it the past two days and have gotten it into the truck. I had my starter tested and good thing I did before we put it in because it was bad. I had to buy one of those and I'm not sure if you can tell from the pics, but we discovered the knock pin was missing from the driver's side camshaft so I had to order one of those. It'll be here tuesday so we thought instead of that holding up progress we would get the engine in the truck and do the timing belt once the knock pin is here. It would've been so much easier doing it while the engine was out of the truck, but what can you do. I will be posting some pics of the progress in a day or two, but wanted to go ahead and give everyone that's reading an update. I wanted to also mention to anyone that orders a master gasket kit that it doesn't come with two gaskets, one for the egr at the manifold and one for the pair at the manifold. I found that out and had to order another one since this dealership doesn't stock anything.

92 toy - I wanted to thank you again for all the help. I'm sorry to have to ask, but could you get some pics of the passenger's side of the engine. We're mainly having problems with how the wiring is routed through the bay on that side. It looks like it wraps around the ac compressor, but there are quite a few tab so I wanted to make sure it was routed right. I'm not sure how, but it also seems like a couple of bolts got mixed up on that side and one is missing. It's the one that runs through the ps bracket and the triangle bracket that also bolts to the sliding part of the ps pump.

I've taken a couple of pics of some parts that are attached to the egr valve, but I'm not quite sure of how they mount to the engine. I'm hoping that someone can chime in with some pics or info on how these mount to the engine.





Thanks so much for everybody's help.
Sorry for the long post, but a ton of info.

 

hope you can wait until tomorrow......had a bit of trouble here at home when my truck was outside and someone vandalized it (no damage, but .....anyway, we now have our 3 vehicles smooshed in the garage ..a 3 bay, but 1 bay had our tractor, mower, bikes, etc...) and anyway, all that means is Joe's 4runner is shoehorned in and I will back it outside and get any and all pics you need.

thanks for the thanks.

I have so much to be grateful for on a daily basis and as long as I can pay-it-forward on a regular basis, I'm good. If I've helped you, or anyone for that matter, by way of advice or pics or encouragement, then it's all good and I'm happy.

 

Sorry to hear your truck was vandalized, but nice to hear there was no damage. What happened? Did you catch them in the act or what? The pics tomorrow work out great. I'm going to try and get it running tomorrow and get some pics of the engine in the truck. I'm hoping to get a little video of it starting up as well. Thanks again for all your help. I live and interact with everyone with a similar approach. Karma comes around and it feels good to be able to help. I still owe you the beer when you guys are in the area.

 

http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/1990-1995...e/cylinder.pdf page 55(l) (lower case L)

Next time, a) don't use your phone. I don't care what the kid told you, it is NOT a real camera. b) LOOK at the background. Take the parts out and lay them on the street. Get an old sheet. Anything but all the junk on one side of your garage. How can anyone tell what you're trying to show us versus everything else in the picture?

 

Scope103 - I'm aware of the diagram you have posted from the FSM and it doesn't show how the brackets are mounted to the block or intake. It shows what they are and that's great, but I'm wondering about their mounting. A) I'm far from thinking that my phone is a real camera, but it's what I have so if you don't like the pics keep the comments to yourself. B) Most of the individuals on this site have such an intimate knowledge of this engine that they can typically tell you what the part is and where it goes just by looking at it. I know I have a pretty good knowledge base of this engine and I know little in comparison to most on this site. Again, if you don't like the pics or how I've displayed parts in them I'd prefer you not comment than to comment on my ability to distinguish a smartphone from a real camera or the arrangement of the parts.

Although my post count may be low, I've been on this site for eight years and one thing I've really enjoyed is the positive attitude and words of encouragement from its members. I'd like to keep this thread in those same lines. Thank you for taking the time to locate and post the portion of the FSM that contains the air intake chamber stay.

 

No...I didn't catch anyone. let's just say it was disgusting what they did. and NO, no damage to my truck just to our sense of security.

anyhoo...got some non-cellphone pics for you from my crappy digital camera.

 

some of those pics are terribly because I was just blindly shoving the camera where my eyes could not see.

if there is an angle or anything else you need see if you can circle it in a pic and I will post it up for ya.

notice my stuff is a bit different because of modifications done for the headers.

 

92TOY - Aren't you missing the intake chamber stay and the throttle cable bracket? I believe those are two of the parts pictured by AW1090. You don't need the throttle cable bracket if you have a manual transmission, but the intake chamber stay is what keeps the plenum (upper intake manifold/intake chamber) from vibrating and wearing the connection to the lower intake manifold.

 

hmmm...no?

had no leftover parts. and no performance issues at all. not to say something didn't get fooled with prior to us having this motor....but. with all the pics and research I did disassembling and reassembling and the FSM etc at our fingertips, I never encountered a "hey, something should go there.." moment.

thanks for the eyeballs though. and honestly, I'm not quite sure what or where you are talking about. if you could take one of my pics and circle what it is, maybe I can help. I believe it's on the 3rd header pipe back, you can see a bracket that had to be cut to accommodate the new exhaust (as per it's instructions). it WAS a substantial bracket but was made from aluminum and seemed to only serve a limited purpose.

also...if it makes a difference, our motor is an 88 and Andrew's is a 91. I do believe there are subtle differences but essentially the same physical motor.

 

 

wow...thanks...now I'm gonna have to look at our BEFORE pics

 

yup...there it is

 

I found another pic of it from a post by Jason191918....



Scope103 - Thanks for finding all the info. Hopefully I can get it back and positioned properly on the block and intake. I'm assuming the throttle stay wraps over the top of the intake?

92 Toy - Thanks again. The pics are a big help and I'll let you know if I need anything else. I'm hoping it'll be running soon. Do you think that intake stay bracket was lost during the rebuild?

Thanks again for all the help guys..

 

hey , no prob...doesn't cost a thang to take pics.

not sure about when it was misplaced or if we even ever had it. this motor was worked on before. I have a box of "stuff"....old bolts etc...I will see if it ended up in there. I'm hoping it wasn't me.....but always a possibility.

EDIT: not sure what I was smoking when I wrote that part (in orange) since I had just shown I had the part when we had only just begun. so, yep, it's on me, and I have to find the part and put it back where it belongs.

 

The throttle cable bracket attaches to the top of the intake chamber stay, and bends back (toward the passenger side) over the egr valve - plenum pipe. It has tabs so that it only fits on one way. It's purpose is just to keep the throttle cable (the one that goes to the automatic transmission) from touching the warm pipe or grinding on the edge of the plenum.

There's an object lesson for all of us here. 92 TOY is trying really hard to do everything right, with before and after pictures. So proud of his work, he posts the pictures as an example of "how to do it." Fortunately, they were pretty good pictures (this position is very difficult to photograph once the engine is in the truck and the "stuff" is back on), so someone was able to spot a missing, essential, part. And he was able to figure out that he was, indeed, missing something. (I just hopes he finds the part.)

Essential? Without the stay the only thing holding the large plenum is one line of bolts down the middle. So the plenum will rock a little with every vibration, and it will be like gently working over the aluminum sealing surfaces with a hammer. After a while (3 months? 3 years? Who knows?!) a vacuum leak would develop -- and boy will it be hard to find! That's the problem when you read "I did XYZ and I haven't had any problems these last 6 months, so you should do it too." You want your truck to last longer than 6 months.

 

ummm...OK...before this thread gets derailed, I'm gonna say that I will try to use a non-sarcastic voice in my head when I'm reading your post about me and "how to do it". I've never claimed to "know" anything or everything and never have intentionally tried to make anyone think I do. What I have said numerous times in my time here on YT is that I read, research, circle my prey and generally take the fun and spontaneity out of most anything because I attempt to only do things once. I have always been happy to point out my failures and shortcomings when it comes to working on our vehicles and pride myself on being willing to search for answers and humble enough to ask for help when I am cornered by a puzzling problem. In fact, in my "THREAD B" I do provide a disclaimer something like "this is what worked for us..."

so, anyways, if you were NOT being sarcastic, I apologize for reading it that way. but I have had a terrible last few days in that my truck was vandalized in such a disgusting way (and the 1st time anyone has done anything to my truck, or me for that matter, or my family) that we are a bit knee-jerky around here.

so, in closing, SCOPE, I thank you again for finding that we are missing an apparent critical part and I will, indeed find it and instal it. On that note, I believe both Andrew and myself are happy that the likes of you are able to spot that.

 

My apologies. I didn't mean it as negatively as you perceived it.

We all have our shortcomings (especially me). What I had hoped to point out was that you are, unlike a few on this forum, trying to be very careful. Your willingness to help others (as a secondary benefit of your care in documenting your project) lead (I think) to your discovering an additional step you needed. A step you were originally pretty sure you did not need ("hmmm ... no"). This is "good Karma."

While I haven't had your direct experience (someone looking at a picture and discovering I installed something wrong), I've certainly learned more than once that what I was pretty sure was true was just not right at all. And even when it isn't a matter of "right," I've learned some pretty clever tricks (I'm thinking of the myriad ways that people hold the crank to remove the crank bolt.)

Keep it up.

 

Ok... Back on topic. Thanks for the input on the throttle cable bracket. I haven't gotten a chance to look at it again, but I'll hopefully get to tomorrow. Both of you guys have been a ton of help especially 92 Toy. I don't know how I could've done all of it without your help and thread to follow. Thanks again..... Now for some pics of the engine back in the truck. Sorry for the poor pics, but as mentioned before the phone is all I've got.





I know I know.... I got excited and sealed the part up front. I've gotta take it back off to slip the timing belt cover on.

 

OK...got it. thanks.


yowza! and yes, we had that cover off at least twice. that seals up easily and un-seals easily too. so ....yeh, enjoy that. and the little screws for the plastic cover are a PITA. as far as doing the timing belt...was definitely a chore and make sure there are no small children around, because profanity may be uttered. even though I struggled hard with it and eventually got it to where I thought it was right...it was not and my helper Brandon (XXXTREME22R) that night when we turned the key was able to somehow make it right.

if I recall correctly, you can run the motor without that cover in place...and I may just say you should do-so until you are positive you have the timing spot-on. did you get your crankshaft bolt torqued? we bought a monster 3/4'' drive wrench from Harbor Freight for that one bolt...and the I was going to return it, which I did not. it's such a manly sized tool that I kept it.

anyway, I assume you are all nervous with anticipation like a kid before Christmas morning.....