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The reason is they are light and don't need to run on highways after you just bound your wheels in rocks. It's a race. They go fast and have different needs. I can attest that my Blazeland kits is fun as hell at speed over bumpy trails. Full on laugh riot.
For my specific wheeling needs I am chopping it out. I wheel fully loaded over hard terrain. After doing this I then need to take it still fully loaded 1000 miles on the highway and not be scary as hell and flat out dangerous.
If you do this,
Photo here, tires toeing in right at the start of the climb.
IFS might not be for you. My IFS mod actually contributed to this flop for two reasons.
1. I had not widened my rear end to equal the front. That climb was steep. The more narrow rear slipped off.
2. With the front end unloaded (in weight) the suspension droops and tires toe in. For proof you may scroll up to my video just a few posts up as well as looking really close again at photo 1. The video actually bent steering components. Anyway, my point is that while unloaded and the tires toed in it becomes difficult to steer.
I'm sure I could throw a great deal of money to try and correct it or I could throw my FJ62 axle under the front and a custom full float in the rear and call it a day.
If I wasn't a hard wheeler and use my rig to take 5000 mile + road trips I would keep the LT IFS as a trailer toy. It really is fun and and capable.
For perspective had I flopped the other way I would have gone to the bottom and I was up near the top when my winch failed.
This also leads me to the tip buy a GREAT winch. My Smitty Bilt XRC garbage could have gotten me killed TWICE......
The IFS solid axle debate is full of misinformation and jerks. Both have pros and cons and every wheeler has their own needs. My path is leading me to a solid axle swap. Not just a solid axle swap but a C-notched axle swap to get lower. I have a barn find rust free frame in the backyard ready to go and a 3.4 in the shed along with the already mentioned axle.
It might not be right for everyone. Most people do not need a full float rear end but I'm going to start wheeling even heavier.
My near misses have given me enough warning that it's cage time and I'm going to start wheeling with a helmet.
Oh ˟˟˟˟˟! At least you didn't go for the same ride that jeep did. I don't think I'll be attempting hells gate for at least another $10,000.00.
This is the kind of good information that I joined this forum for. My specific needs at the time don't really pertain to hard rock crawling. I am more focused on building a capable overland trail rig so I will be staying with IFS.
I noticed that you have a CVT Red Wagon. Built in my home town of Bend OR. Are you also located in Bend?
Oh you can crawl pretty good on the IFS too. I enjoyed it.
I would recommend staying at a 33" tire for LT IFS. Afterwards I firmly believe the steering needs to be beefed up some.
I also go for overland trails. I just like scaring myself. Check out my thread I do big trips.
I think I may be the first to go up the escalator with a roof top tent on.
Oh and that part no3.
Wheeling with a rooftop tent up the Escalator also probably helped my flop a touch. Honestly I was amazed at how little I felt it up there. I certainly was aware and careful off camber.
Not from Bend but went through there to get some minor repairs on that trip. I live in BC. Oregon is awesome. Stayed in a few McMenanins places like the school in Bend. Such bloody good beer. People are nice and the wheeling is great. You know we really are blessed to be living in the Pacific Northwest.
I ordered the supreme suspension lift kit 1 3/4 bj spacers and 1.5 coil spacers. The coil spacers they sent are too small and they said the only bigger one they carry is for the 3rd gen 4Runner. All the measurements seem to measure up but was curious if anyone things I'll have problems. 2nd gen 4Runner springs interchangeable with 3rd gen?
Dang Red! Just checked out your build thread. You have come a long long ways man. I think I am probably in the beginning stage with my 86 and kind of started backwards from where you started. Got a bunch of engine mods on the little 22re (still gutless) ARB with the mile marker and now I am getting started on gears and suspension. I will be consulting you and this forum on the reg one I save up the money for my next step (gears).
thanks
Picked up fj80 rear coils for $25 installed them yesterday. I was running stock coils and 2" spacers. Front is bj spacers only. If the rear doesn't settle a bit i'll end up cranking the torsion bars a little to get rid of some of the rake.
forget the 15 inch tires. go with 16s or even better 17s. tire sizes are much more readilly AVAILABLE. taller and skinnier tires are better tha fat tires,especially if it spends most of the time on pavement. i have a 95 4runner with land cruiser 17 inch wheels with 265/70r17 tires no rub,no lift
okay, so i think im going to get 33x12.5 on 15s with no lift. what kinda of backspacing/offset on the rim should i get to push them out enough to reduce rubbing?
Cranking in the torsion bars all the way or installing BJ Spacers will gain up travel and lift but you will sacrifice down travel. No down travel is like SkiingMoguls with locked knees.
Well my build has spiraled out of control. Now I don't think I would have a problem with hells gate at all. 5.29 nitros with ARB air lockers front and back. TC LT caddy up front with 2.5 Fox coil overs accompanied by Fox triple bypass. In back pulled a t100 axle off CL and sat it on 62" Deaver leafs spring under axle running 16" Fox triple bypass through the bed. Not done yet but should be a real kick in the ass!
I haven't seen much or any discussion in this thread regarding SAS lifted runners. anyone know how big I am likely to be able to go with tires on mine? 95 with 3 inch trail gear SAS front and rear. The previous owner did about a 1 inch body lift as well. I have been hoping to put 38 inch boggers on it, but I think for now I'll go 35 and see what I have for clearance. if there's room to grow I'll put them up for sale and get something bigger. anyone have some input? pictures will have to wait, but the lift is progressing nicely
I realize this thread is listed as "86-95 Trucks & 4Runners2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with IFS" but I didn't see one for "86-95 Trucks & 4Runners 2nd/3rd gen pickups, and 1st/2nd gen 4Runners with SAS"
EDIT: HOURS of searching and i finally found one. Just to contribute to the thread, 4" bracket lift with relaxed torsion bars and lc coils.
Curious, wouldn't the springs included with the bracket lift suffice? Or what other advantages dp you gain with lc coils? And do they level it with the bracket lift or is cranking down the t bars necessary? Maybe even a spacer for the rear coils? I'm pretty much sold on the bracket lift of 4-5" (precompiled stage II or RC)
4" bracket lift. 80 series coils. Keep in mind this is the height with the extra 150lbs of a 4.3. And no the hoist is not supporting anything.<br /><img src="http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac63/JLamb_14/Vortec%20Swap/IMG_2580.jpg"></img><br /><br />Same lift with 35s.<br /><img src="http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac63/JLamb_14/Vortec%20Swap/IMG_2624.jpg"></img>
<br /><br />Did you have to do a body lift to fit the 4.3?
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35x12.5x15's 4" T-G springs up front w/ 81 Front axle. Rear is 97 FJ80 Springs with 1" spacers
Well my build has spiraled out of control. Now I don't think I would have a problem with hells gate at all. 5.29 nitros with ARB air lockers front and back. TC LT caddy up front with 2.5 Fox coil overs accompanied by Fox triple bypass. In back pulled a t100 axle off CL and sat it on 62" Deaver leafs spring under axle running 16" Fox triple bypass through the bed. Not done yet but should be a real kick in the ass!
you ever check this thread anymore? How did you sua setup turn out?
I haven't checked this thread in a long time. These forums are too awkward to use but sometimes you just can't find answers anywhere else. The SUA turned out really nice. Still not done (moved, life, bla bla bla). I'll get it all trail ready by winter. Here are some pics.
Modifying fenders has been the part i have dreaded about this build.
02-10-2016, 09:25 AM
Dang Red! Just checked out your build thread. You have come a long long ways man. I think I am probably in the beginning stage with my 86 and kind of started backwards from where you started. Got a bunch of engine mods on the little 22re (still gutless) ARB with the mile marker and now I am getting started on gears and suspension. I will be consulting you and this forum on the reg one I save up the money for my next step (gears).
