Well unless you signed legal documents that makes you an owner or "designer" it is all BS as everything alse in NE. They should call it BS instead of NE. All I hope for is people to read things here and on other forums and to stop dealing with them and replace whatever NE parts they have with reputable parts. AS to people that has damage, all of the best see if you can sort something out or just cut your losses and walk away.

This whole NE thing has been one huge PITA.

FT good post. Lets get the safety people on to this.

 

whats the morons stock symbol, I'd like to see what these shares are worth

 

You can only be held liable in an action against NE if you are/were an Officer or Incorporator of the company. Owning shares wouldn't necessarily make you liable. Call the Secretary of State/Dept. of Corporations for Washington State at (360) 753-7115 and see if you can order copies of NE's Articles of Incorporations (registration forms), Amendments, and any annual filings for as long as you've been affiliated with it, and see if you are named. All information provided to the Secretary of State is public information.

 

r0cky, if you signed no papers you are not liable for anything. All Anthony's talk is just BS. So that is the good news.

The bad news, never ever go into business with somebody without sorting out all the legalitize. This can bite you in a big way. Understand you legal position always, your liabilities and risks, and on the flipside your potential reward. I have a feeling even if NE was a huge success you would have been left with nothing.


BTW, it seems he tried to ban my IP again, seems like he doesn't like facts and questions on his site.

 

He can't register you as an officer of the company without you agreeing and signing the appropiate paperwork. It is as simple as that. So just tell him to go F%^& himself. He is the one responsible and I have a feeling if he sold as many kits as he has been boasting, he will have lots of legal problems going forward.

To those who have bought his kits, I will defintely file claim against him to get my money back and to pay for damages if any to my vehicle.

I think there has been enough proof posted for everybody that frequents these boards to know that these products does pose a risk. It is up to the individual to use their own discretion in what to do. So that's it.

 

Tracy,

This is what I emailed to you. If you didn't get that email, I'll send it again. Here again are the main points:

(1) Yes, you can be listed in the articles of formation without you having signed anything. You need to find out whether you are listed there at all. This is the first thing a lawyer would do, but you don't need a lawyer to do it.

(2) If you are not listed in the articles of formation and have not signed anything else bringing you into the company as something more than an employee, then you are not an owner or officer. In that case, AK just lied to you. And, in that case, you may have a cause of action against NE to get them to pay you for the work you did for them (in addition to separate charges for a bad lift kit). Even though it sounds like there wasn't a signed contract of any sort, no one would expect you to work for free. You could likely win some money from them if you chose to pursue this. And, finally, you should not be held liable for NE's actions at all. Even if someone wanted to, they probably wouldn't be allowed to sue you directly. They would sue NE. And you are not NE.

(3) If you ARE listed in the articles of formation as an officer of the company but haven't signed anything, then you can make the claim that you were brought in without your knowledge and against your will. Since there wasn't anything written, it would be your word against theirs. Since you were probably working with the intent of eventually reaping a reward of some kind (which is perfectly fine), the question would then be how you expected to be paid (cash, as part owner (shares), as owner/operator, etc.).

(4) Even if you are listed as an officer, it doesn't automatically make you liable. One of the benefits of an LLC is that if one owner does something stupid, the other owners are not held liable for the one owner's mistakes. It's pretty clear that AK and/or Ryan are the culprits here. This is exactly why LLCs exist. Liability is given to the guilty, not the innocent.

(5) If you are still listed as an officer or owner, you need to remove yourself from the company ASAP. Under Washington state law, you can do so by providing them with 30-day written notice. They have no choice but to accept it.

(6) If you are listed as an officer or owner and were listed as such without your knowledge, you may have a separate cause of action against NE. You would have to show damages, which might be damage to your reputation, pain and suffering caused by stress, etc.

But the first step is to get the articles of formation. I'm interested too, so I'll go ahead and call them Friday and see about getting a copy.

 

BTW, I received six grade 5 bolts from NE to replace the six grade zero studs. Not that this makes me feel all wam and fuzzy about the kit now.

BTW Bulldog, I noticed that they posted a response to your latest post on their forum, but then pulled it for some reason. I need to learn to grab what they post and save it.

 

Thanks for the specfics FirstToy. Since NE doesn't seem to be taking any responsible actions, I'm going to try to find a way to get the word out without it being buried in a 30 page thread. Hopefully it will be ready next week. Bulldog was right, this whole thing is just a PITA.

 

This makes it questionable as to whether you thought of yourself as an owner or not. If you had shares, you were an owner. Period. However, an owner cannot simply be removed and have their share of the company taken from them without their will. So, I'm GUESSING that you were not listed in the articles of formation at all and that NE lied to you about paying you for your work with shares of the company. We'll find out after we get more information from the dept. of corporations.

 

Oh yeah, I got my Revtek kit the other day. Wow. What a difference. NE/AK take notice of how a REAL kit should be made and how a product looks with REAL molds. NE, you guys did an amazingly terrible job.

 

If using IE, click on File, then save as.
Make a folder for it.
If the thread spills on multiple pages, make a new folder and number it for that page.

I save many web pages this way, especially tech ones.

 

He's just mad cause your rejected his ehumping attempts

 

The UBI number for the LLC is - 602 412 429

http://www.secstate.wa.gov/corps/sea...&ubi=602412429

 

I've sent off for the information. They don't offer it online. Should be here in a week or so. I'll post an update when it arrives.

 

Let me kick in my latest two cents:

Will do.

Mine just came out. Here's my writeup on that. Plus, read earlier on that same page for NE's unexpectedly humorous reponse to my return request.

You better believe they took notice. My kit came with photocopies of both Revtek's and Daystar's installation docs for reference because their own were so half-a**ed.

 

DONE!! that's some good reading....... hope this all works out for you guys-

 

Rocky, did you ever get my e mail?

Michael

 

It looks like NE is about to introduce their new sliders. "We can confidently state today that our x-reas compatible sliders will be shipping within 10 days and the new mounting system will blow your minds.Å Very simple yet very effective and clean."

Maybe they were able to sneak a peak at Hanna's design and add another rip off to the NE name.

Meanwhile, I've got a surprise coming for NE. With other work, it has taken longer than I would have liked. However, it is coming along well and I'll announce it here next week.

 

I wish more people would patent their designs, as I'm tired of places like NE just stealing other people's ideas. But let's see what the sliders look like. BY the sounds of it NE stole the Revtek spacer designs and Steve's panhard drop design, diff drops (probably from RB or somewhere) and so the list goes on. AS far as I know the only two things of their own design was the shock relocators (which sounded good in theory till we actually saw the design and how it worked in prctice) and now seemingly top out spacers for Downey coil-overs (which just doesn't sound like a good idea to me). Good luck to anybody who deals with them or uses their products, let's just say you have been thoroughly and completely warned.

Your surprise sounds interesting.

 

hah!!!! i have no doubt that it's him! he's willing to pay for it, huh? i wonder how much? maybe enough for you to buy a new lift?