Nitrous Enterprises
Jan 31, 2005 | 06:31 PM
#281
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Yeah, should have thought it through a bit more, kind of annoyed at myself right now.
Jan 31, 2005 | 06:44 PM
#282
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Originally Posted by 4Hummer
SEE THE LIGHT. ??? 
No I just wanted to "HEAR" the other side of the story thats all.
Any good debate or argument has TWO sides. But this thread has been totally ONE sided.
Orange Asked if anyone wanted to Hear AK's side of things and I said HELLS YA
Dont flame me for wanting to hear the whole story, or at least AK's explination (Could be a good laugh you know) anyway just my 0.02
No I just wanted to "HEAR" the other side of the story thats all.
Any good debate or argument has TWO sides. But this thread has been totally ONE sided.
Orange Asked if anyone wanted to Hear AK's side of things and I said HELLS YA
Dont flame me for wanting to hear the whole story, or at least AK's explination (Could be a good laugh you know) anyway just my 0.02
What side of his story do you specifically want to hear? To me, its irrelevant at this point because he has had many chances to come clean. After how many lies, at what point does hearing the other side of the story even become believable or even palatable?
Even here before he and his 'silent partner', Ryan Cloud got out of hand, they were allowed as any other business to promote their goods. Instead, Ryan and presumably Billy decided to perform some negative advertising against Hanna Quality in the hopes of destroying his business. Moreover, you've read the above experiences from Yabedude, Mickdaddy, etc. It was apparent that a small minority of buyers got what they wanted. The other ones got shafted with excuses ranging up to and including brain tumors.
And even if his side of the story were allowed here, his side of the story was voiced by himself in other forums (t4r.org and toyota-4runner.og). If you go and read those forums, there is not anything that resembles a well-articulated explaination. Instead, it was the same beat-around-the-bush double speak and even a condemnation of the YT and t4r.org mods/admins...on your behalf too
I agree with you: second chance are good. But in my opinion, second chances should be given out with prudence and not like candy. Anthony, Ryan Cloud, step brother Billy, the NE jungle girls, etc are not worthy of coming back here and giving their side of their story (even through the new guy Orange) b/c their time to do that was already spent bullsh#tting the YT community.
Bob
Jan 31, 2005 | 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5
Michael,
What side of his story do you specifically want to hear? To me, its irrelevant at this point because he has had many chances to come clean. After how many lies, at what point does hearing the other side of the story even become believable or even palatable?
Even here before he and his 'silent partner', Ryan Cloud got out of hand, they were allowed as any other business to promote their goods. Instead, Ryan and presumably Billy decided to perform some negative advertising against Hanna Quality in the hopes of destroying his business. Moreover, you've read the above experiences from Yabedude, Mickdaddy, etc. It was apparent that a small minority of buyers got what they wanted. The other ones got shafted with excuses ranging up to and including brain tumors.
And even if his side of the story were allowed here, his side of the story was voiced by himself in other forums (t4r.org and toyota-4runner.og). If you go and read those forums, there is not anything that resembles a well-articulated explaination. Instead, it was the same beat-around-the-bush double speak and even a condemnation of the YT and t4r.org mods/admins...on your behalf too
I agree with you: second chance are good. But in my opinion, second chances should be given out with prudence and not like candy. Anthony, Ryan Cloud, step brother Billy, the NE jungle girls, etc are not worthy of coming back here and giving their side of their story (even through the new guy Orange) b/c their time to do that was already spent bullsh#tting the YT community.
Bob
What side of his story do you specifically want to hear? To me, its irrelevant at this point because he has had many chances to come clean. After how many lies, at what point does hearing the other side of the story even become believable or even palatable?
Even here before he and his 'silent partner', Ryan Cloud got out of hand, they were allowed as any other business to promote their goods. Instead, Ryan and presumably Billy decided to perform some negative advertising against Hanna Quality in the hopes of destroying his business. Moreover, you've read the above experiences from Yabedude, Mickdaddy, etc. It was apparent that a small minority of buyers got what they wanted. The other ones got shafted with excuses ranging up to and including brain tumors.
And even if his side of the story were allowed here, his side of the story was voiced by himself in other forums (t4r.org and toyota-4runner.og). If you go and read those forums, there is not anything that resembles a well-articulated explaination. Instead, it was the same beat-around-the-bush double speak and even a condemnation of the YT and t4r.org mods/admins...on your behalf too
I agree with you: second chance are good. But in my opinion, second chances should be given out with prudence and not like candy. Anthony, Ryan Cloud, step brother Billy, the NE jungle girls, etc are not worthy of coming back here and giving their side of their story (even through the new guy Orange) b/c their time to do that was already spent bullsh#tting the YT community.
Bob
Orange, as I said previously you are not doing yourself any favors by just posting to this thread. Your existance on this forum should be far more than merely NE, at least that way you will get value out of this forum and be able to contribute. Building credibility takes time, and you dont have to post picture of your underwear size, etc. NE and AK brought it on themselves over a long period of time, so it will take a lot of work to change that. Besides that is not why you were interested in the forum anyhow, dont worry about it. The fact that the Mods have not banned you, is a sign of goodwill from their part given the IP conflict. So just enjoy the forum and stop harping on this issue here, that will be the best way to prove you true intentions.
So good luck and enjoy!
Jan 31, 2005 | 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bulldog-yota
... So just enjoy the forum and stop harping on this issue here, that will be the best way to prove you true intentions.
So good luck and enjoy!
Jan 31, 2005 | 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bob_98SR5
Michael,
What side of his story do you specifically want to hear? To me, its irrelevant at this point because he has had many chances to come clean. After how many lies, at what point does hearing the other side of the story even become believable or even palatable?
Bob
What side of his story do you specifically want to hear? To me, its irrelevant at this point because he has had many chances to come clean. After how many lies, at what point does hearing the other side of the story even become believable or even palatable?
Bob
I like to think there is good in everyone, IF given the chance.
I Can’t see how someone would Purposely SCEW people over, Or Purposely Make an unsafe lift kit (Grade 2 bolts) Just to make a BUCK? Or lie to customers, and cheat people out of there hard earned money ????????? THEIR HAS GOT to be an explanation ???
BUT I’m Canadian we don’t screw people over so what the Heck would I Know about all this.
Jan 31, 2005 | 07:45 PM
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Michael,
Please don't take my post as coming after you. I am confident taht you are not defending AK. In the same vein, I hope taht you don't think I am sending the lynch mob after you either
Speaking of lynch mobs, historically they were vigilantes/mobs that looked after anyone who was remotely guilty or accused of a crime. In this case, we have solid evidence from various people from former employees, mods/admins, to customers. Thus in my book, its not a lynch mob that went after AK and Ryan Cloud, but a well-informed "jury" (so to speak) of YT members who were tired of this guy b.s.'ing us.
Bob
Please don't take my post as coming after you. I am confident taht you are not defending AK. In the same vein, I hope taht you don't think I am sending the lynch mob after you either
Speaking of lynch mobs, historically they were vigilantes/mobs that looked after anyone who was remotely guilty or accused of a crime. In this case, we have solid evidence from various people from former employees, mods/admins, to customers. Thus in my book, its not a lynch mob that went after AK and Ryan Cloud, but a well-informed "jury" (so to speak) of YT members who were tired of this guy b.s.'ing us.
Bob
Jan 31, 2005 | 08:40 PM
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not only that, hes taken it upon himself to accuse others of lying, and fabricated stories to attempt to prove this.
he has also deleted posts where NE is questioned.
he has also deleted posts where NE is questioned.
Jan 31, 2005 | 09:40 PM
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Do you think the mods would ban someone without triple checking? Anthony has been given a long leash and instead of taking advantage of it, he took advantage of people's trust.
This is "second chance x10" and even now still does the same thing. That big "L" on his forehead isn't a stain, it's a birthmark.
There are other great, qualified options. I will never trust a business that is this corrupt to the core.
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1. Quality problems: Lopsided spacers, uneven spacers, very poor molds, material questions, possible cracking, shipping "grade 2" bolts when they advertised grade 5 (for the top plate of the front spacers - DEFINATELY don't wan't "grade 2" in there), relocating rear shocks to a non-reinforced location within the truck, etc.
2. Delivery time problems: Order your kit, pay for your kit, who knows when you'll get it. This was for supposidly finished kits, all testing done, selling the final product, supposidly in stock.
3. Lying to customers about delivery time problems: Continual lying to customers about delivery. Say they've shipped them when they haven't. Goes on for months if you let it. They do appear to have refunded the money of those who have asked and have not received their kits.
4. Secretly putting down the competition problems: Want to compare your product to the competition? No problem. That's not the NE way though. They have created multiple accounts (or had friends do it) on multiple forums to attempt to tear down the competition.
5. Multiple screen names to make yourself look better: Like the multiple accounts to discredit the competition, even more accounts to make NE look better than it really is.
6. Creating fake pictures of a non-existing lift: Their photoshop skills are pathetic. This one was kind of sad.
7. Even more.....
One of the latest pieces on NE's own forum (they keep getting banned from other forums) states:
Two problems here. First is that they should never shipped out the "grade 2" or "butter bolts" in the first place (they advertised grade 5 and their kit's parts list says grade 5). This debate will eventually be settled, but this is the suspension we're talking about. If that fails at a critical time, say goodbye to your family and friends. Hopefully you won't kill anyone else on the road either. Second problem is that they weren't even grade 2. They were "307A" carriage bolts meant for building fences. The following information on grade 2 and 307a is from http://www.nucor-fastener.com/pdf/005.pdf
So NE can't even get that correct.
Finally, this is all being brought before the authorities (the CPSC - Consumer Product Safety Commission and the NHTSA - National Highway Traffic Safety Administration).
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"one of my Daystar front spacers is toast because he had bored holes in the polyurethane so that the bolt heads (used for the NE spacer) would be snug INSIDE the Daystar. He then glued both the Daystar and NE spacer together and had probably been praying I never use it because it WILL fail. It will fail once the weight of a front end is applied to it. The Daystar will explode because these bolts are 3/4 the way through it!." -yabedude
This is "second chance x10" and even now still does the same thing. That big "L" on his forehead isn't a stain, it's a birthmark.
There are other great, qualified options. I will never trust a business that is this corrupt to the core.
____________________________________
1. Quality problems: Lopsided spacers, uneven spacers, very poor molds, material questions, possible cracking, shipping "grade 2" bolts when they advertised grade 5 (for the top plate of the front spacers - DEFINATELY don't wan't "grade 2" in there), relocating rear shocks to a non-reinforced location within the truck, etc.
2. Delivery time problems: Order your kit, pay for your kit, who knows when you'll get it. This was for supposidly finished kits, all testing done, selling the final product, supposidly in stock.
3. Lying to customers about delivery time problems: Continual lying to customers about delivery. Say they've shipped them when they haven't. Goes on for months if you let it. They do appear to have refunded the money of those who have asked and have not received their kits.
4. Secretly putting down the competition problems: Want to compare your product to the competition? No problem. That's not the NE way though. They have created multiple accounts (or had friends do it) on multiple forums to attempt to tear down the competition.
5. Multiple screen names to make yourself look better: Like the multiple accounts to discredit the competition, even more accounts to make NE look better than it really is.
6. Creating fake pictures of a non-existing lift: Their photoshop skills are pathetic. This one was kind of sad.
7. Even more.....
One of the latest pieces on NE's own forum (they keep getting banned from other forums) states:
Two problems here. First is that they should never shipped out the "grade 2" or "butter bolts" in the first place (they advertised grade 5 and their kit's parts list says grade 5). This debate will eventually be settled, but this is the suspension we're talking about. If that fails at a critical time, say goodbye to your family and friends. Hopefully you won't kill anyone else on the road either. Second problem is that they weren't even grade 2. They were "307A" carriage bolts meant for building fences. The following information on grade 2 and 307a is from http://www.nucor-fastener.com/pdf/005.pdf
So NE can't even get that correct.
Finally, this is all being brought before the authorities (the CPSC - Consumer Product Safety Commission and the NHTSA - National Highway Traffic Safety Administration).
____________________________________
"one of my Daystar front spacers is toast because he had bored holes in the polyurethane so that the bolt heads (used for the NE spacer) would be snug INSIDE the Daystar. He then glued both the Daystar and NE spacer together and had probably been praying I never use it because it WILL fail. It will fail once the weight of a front end is applied to it. The Daystar will explode because these bolts are 3/4 the way through it!." -yabedude
Jan 31, 2005 | 10:04 PM
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Post padding!
kind of new to the forum and didn't think I could be anykind of "real" yota member without posting on the "mother" of all threads...
Anywho....My DayStar lift is enroute...thanks to you all in sharing and looking out for the common good...Your posts steered me in the right direction.
My empathy to those that dealt with the poor business practices mentioned on pages 1..2..3..17
I find that the character of most others is encouraging...for a community to excommunicate a MAJOR violator is only as it should be. AK is truly lost in life and will likely continue a very hollow/superficial existance.
The hats off go to those that support this effort.
Thanks to the moderators and any hosts!
Anywho....My DayStar lift is enroute...thanks to you all in sharing and looking out for the common good...Your posts steered me in the right direction.
My empathy to those that dealt with the poor business practices mentioned on pages 1..2..3..17
I find that the character of most others is encouraging...for a community to excommunicate a MAJOR violator is only as it should be. AK is truly lost in life and will likely continue a very hollow/superficial existance.
The hats off go to those that support this effort.
Thanks to the moderators and any hosts!
Feb 1, 2005 | 05:34 AM
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Wow. I think this thread has doubled in size since I last checked. There are just over 700 posts in the feedback section with over 400 in this thread alone. Excellent job!
I said I was going to file a complaint with both the CPSC and NHTSA. I got swamped and so it took a couple more days than I thought, but the complaints have been sent. I sent it to both because I'm unsure who has jurisdiction. I THINK it's the NHTSA, but they don't mention much about aftermarket parts at all and seem to mostly concentrate on new cars. Anyway, I'll find out. One of them or someone else will take this on. Also, I filed the complaint with the NHTSA via snail mail. Their online submission option didn't allow much room for details. I'll check back with them via phone next week and also with the CPSC if I don't hear anything. And I'll be sure to keep everyone informed.
I said I was going to file a complaint with both the CPSC and NHTSA. I got swamped and so it took a couple more days than I thought, but the complaints have been sent. I sent it to both because I'm unsure who has jurisdiction. I THINK it's the NHTSA, but they don't mention much about aftermarket parts at all and seem to mostly concentrate on new cars. Anyway, I'll find out. One of them or someone else will take this on. Also, I filed the complaint with the NHTSA via snail mail. Their online submission option didn't allow much room for details. I'll check back with them via phone next week and also with the CPSC if I don't hear anything. And I'll be sure to keep everyone informed.
Feb 1, 2005 | 05:39 AM
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Also, if you have any complaints or concerns with the quality of NE products and those concerns have not been addressed here, please do so. Or, if not that, maybe PM me with the information. If their products are unsafe then the trucks are unsafe. And if someone running an NE product gets into an accident because of those products, it could very well do harm to you if you are unlucky enough to be driving nearby at the time.
BTW, rocky - you mentioned that you thought one of your spacers was cracking. AK then said that no, it was just a seam. Can you clarify whether it was a seam or a crack?
BTW, rocky - you mentioned that you thought one of your spacers was cracking. AK then said that no, it was just a seam. Can you clarify whether it was a seam or a crack?
Feb 1, 2005 | 05:39 AM
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great work, thanks.
Feb 1, 2005 | 05:49 AM
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Man, just too much new stuff and no time to read it. I just wanted to comment about LLCs though and AK trying to take rocky down with his sinking ship. Tough luck AK, it's all on your shoulders. If she's not an owner she's not going to be held liable. And since you stiffed her out of her shares, she's not an owner.
And, regarding LLCs, they don't give as much protection as you're hoping. The main protection they give is to protect multiple owners when one of the owners does something brain-dead. Kind of like multiple owners of Nitrous Enterprises when one AK makes stupid decisions. In that case, the other owners walk free and AK takes all the heat.
Karma, dude. Maybe you should start thinking about doing the right thing, huh?
And, regarding LLCs, they don't give as much protection as you're hoping. The main protection they give is to protect multiple owners when one of the owners does something brain-dead. Kind of like multiple owners of Nitrous Enterprises when one AK makes stupid decisions. In that case, the other owners walk free and AK takes all the heat.
Karma, dude. Maybe you should start thinking about doing the right thing, huh?
Feb 1, 2005 | 05:57 AM
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I thought some might be interested in this. This is what I sent to the CPSC and NHTSA.
The CPSC link to report an unsafe product is: http://www.cpsc.gov/talk.html
The NHTSA link to report an unsafe product is: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
You can also get phone numbers and mailing addresses at those sites.
BTW, I am mustangsally on Titantalk.
I am unsure who has jurisdiction over the following as it relates to aftermarket parts for vehicles, not for the vehicle itself. And so this complaint is being filed with both the CPSC and the NHTSA.
I have serious concerns over the safety of several automobile aftermarket products being sold by Nitrous Enterprises LLC. Nitrous Enterprises (NE) is a California company, which develops and markets “lift kits” and other products for the Toyota 4Runner, the Toyota Tacoma, and the Nissan Titan. I believe it is highly likely that their products will modify vehicles such that they will become unsafe and be the direct cause of accidents. I have the following concerns about the Nitrous Enterprises products:
1. Their “Spacer” lift kits. The main components of this kit are large “spacers” -- large pieces of polyurethane. The polyurethane spacers are made to order, one at a time, by pouring a mixture into a mold and letting it harden. The spacers modify the suspension of the vehicle, making it ride higher than it does from the factory. I have several concerns about this kit:
a. My first concern is that the polyurethane is custom-mixed and poured into a mold for each order and that it is quite possible that, if the mixture is off or if the curing of the mixture isn’t done properly, there may be structural problems that won’t be noticeable until the component is put under stress. From the looks of the finished product, I doubt that NE had any prior experience with manufacturing products in this manner.
b. My second concern is that the finishing of the spacers may make the problem even worse. There are four polyurethane spacers, one for each corner of the vehicle. Neither the front nor the rear spacers match. They are lopsided and not the same size as each other. The reason for this appears to be both the poor skills at creating molds and their “finishing” process – filing away excess material by hand with a dremel.
c. In addition to the polyurethane spacers, their kit also includes additional steel spacers for the front of the truck and longer bolts to replace the OEM bolts that bolt through the top of the strut tower. Their replacements bolts were advertised as Grade 5 bolts and the information sheet that came with the kit says they are Grade 5 bolts. However, the bolts have a stamp of “307A” on the top. A 307A bolt is less than a Grade 2 bolt. I do not believe that part should be anything less than a Grade 5 bolt. Even more disturbing was NE’s insistence that they were Grade 5 bolts until the evidence was clearly spelled out to them. This suggests either complete ineptitude (and makes one wonder about what else they may be inept) or complete lack of concern for the safety of others.
2. Their Rear Shock Relocators for the 2003-2005 Toyota 4Runner. This product is machined of stainless steel. It attaches through an existing hole in the subframe of the truck. Its purpose is to move the shocks approximately three inches up in order to compensate for the loss of travel seen when installing their spacer lift kit. I have two concerns with the relocators:
a. The subframe location that holds the OEM mounts for the rear shocks is reinforced. The location where the relocator is installed is not reinforced and was clearly not intended for this purpose. I’m concerned that the subframe will not be able to stand up under continual pressure of daily driving.
b. I am also concerned about the material with which the relocator is made. Although this piece looks professionally machined, I doubt the ethics of the company enough to make me doubt the quality of this piece as well.
3. Their “bolt-on” Rock sliders for 2003-2005 4Runners. Rock sliders are a component for 4WD trucks that look similar to the tube-step style of running boards. However, sliders are meant to be able to bear the weight of the truck. Thus, when going over a rock, one may “slider” over it without damaging the truck. NE purchases the main component of the slider from another vendor and I have confidence in the quality of that vendor. However, NE then attaches their “bolt-on” section to the sliders. Looking closely at the pictures they provided, it is apparent they have no welding skills at all. It is very possible these will fail if ever put to actual use.
My main concern is the spacer lift kit and shock relocators. Since these directly modify the suspension of the vehicle and are a critical component of the vehicle, failure could result in the entire suspension failing at high speed causing injury or death to both the occupants of the modified vehicle and anyone nearby when the failure occurs.
All of my concerns have to do with their finished shipping products. However, I am in contact with several others who have concerns of their own over products received as part of their R&D process. In addition, I am in contact with a former employee who can verify all of the above.
The response from Nitrous Enterprises has been to insist that they only make quality products, that they have been thoroughly tested, and that they are quite safe. However, after talking with a number of other former customers (and former employee) and hearing their experiences and doubts, I now question everything they have ever stated.
I have one of their spacer lift kits that can be examined and their rear shock relocators for my 2004 Toyota 4Runner. The parts are in the box as they were shipped to me and have not been installed on my truck.
I have serious concerns over the safety of several automobile aftermarket products being sold by Nitrous Enterprises LLC. Nitrous Enterprises (NE) is a California company, which develops and markets “lift kits” and other products for the Toyota 4Runner, the Toyota Tacoma, and the Nissan Titan. I believe it is highly likely that their products will modify vehicles such that they will become unsafe and be the direct cause of accidents. I have the following concerns about the Nitrous Enterprises products:
1. Their “Spacer” lift kits. The main components of this kit are large “spacers” -- large pieces of polyurethane. The polyurethane spacers are made to order, one at a time, by pouring a mixture into a mold and letting it harden. The spacers modify the suspension of the vehicle, making it ride higher than it does from the factory. I have several concerns about this kit:
a. My first concern is that the polyurethane is custom-mixed and poured into a mold for each order and that it is quite possible that, if the mixture is off or if the curing of the mixture isn’t done properly, there may be structural problems that won’t be noticeable until the component is put under stress. From the looks of the finished product, I doubt that NE had any prior experience with manufacturing products in this manner.
b. My second concern is that the finishing of the spacers may make the problem even worse. There are four polyurethane spacers, one for each corner of the vehicle. Neither the front nor the rear spacers match. They are lopsided and not the same size as each other. The reason for this appears to be both the poor skills at creating molds and their “finishing” process – filing away excess material by hand with a dremel.
c. In addition to the polyurethane spacers, their kit also includes additional steel spacers for the front of the truck and longer bolts to replace the OEM bolts that bolt through the top of the strut tower. Their replacements bolts were advertised as Grade 5 bolts and the information sheet that came with the kit says they are Grade 5 bolts. However, the bolts have a stamp of “307A” on the top. A 307A bolt is less than a Grade 2 bolt. I do not believe that part should be anything less than a Grade 5 bolt. Even more disturbing was NE’s insistence that they were Grade 5 bolts until the evidence was clearly spelled out to them. This suggests either complete ineptitude (and makes one wonder about what else they may be inept) or complete lack of concern for the safety of others.
2. Their Rear Shock Relocators for the 2003-2005 Toyota 4Runner. This product is machined of stainless steel. It attaches through an existing hole in the subframe of the truck. Its purpose is to move the shocks approximately three inches up in order to compensate for the loss of travel seen when installing their spacer lift kit. I have two concerns with the relocators:
a. The subframe location that holds the OEM mounts for the rear shocks is reinforced. The location where the relocator is installed is not reinforced and was clearly not intended for this purpose. I’m concerned that the subframe will not be able to stand up under continual pressure of daily driving.
b. I am also concerned about the material with which the relocator is made. Although this piece looks professionally machined, I doubt the ethics of the company enough to make me doubt the quality of this piece as well.
3. Their “bolt-on” Rock sliders for 2003-2005 4Runners. Rock sliders are a component for 4WD trucks that look similar to the tube-step style of running boards. However, sliders are meant to be able to bear the weight of the truck. Thus, when going over a rock, one may “slider” over it without damaging the truck. NE purchases the main component of the slider from another vendor and I have confidence in the quality of that vendor. However, NE then attaches their “bolt-on” section to the sliders. Looking closely at the pictures they provided, it is apparent they have no welding skills at all. It is very possible these will fail if ever put to actual use.
My main concern is the spacer lift kit and shock relocators. Since these directly modify the suspension of the vehicle and are a critical component of the vehicle, failure could result in the entire suspension failing at high speed causing injury or death to both the occupants of the modified vehicle and anyone nearby when the failure occurs.
All of my concerns have to do with their finished shipping products. However, I am in contact with several others who have concerns of their own over products received as part of their R&D process. In addition, I am in contact with a former employee who can verify all of the above.
The response from Nitrous Enterprises has been to insist that they only make quality products, that they have been thoroughly tested, and that they are quite safe. However, after talking with a number of other former customers (and former employee) and hearing their experiences and doubts, I now question everything they have ever stated.
I have one of their spacer lift kits that can be examined and their rear shock relocators for my 2004 Toyota 4Runner. The parts are in the box as they were shipped to me and have not been installed on my truck.
The NHTSA link to report an unsafe product is: http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/
You can also get phone numbers and mailing addresses at those sites.
BTW, I am mustangsally on Titantalk.
Feb 1, 2005 | 06:14 AM
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well, great work all around. you summarized that all quite nicely. glad to see youre on the case.
thanks for your work.
thanks for your work.
Feb 1, 2005 | 06:34 AM
#296
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where is AK's explanation on t4r ? I couldn't find it. :-( someone wanna post a link please?
Feb 1, 2005 | 06:51 AM
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I think that thread got erased at T4r. You can read a copy of his response on page seven of this thread.
Feb 1, 2005 | 07:01 AM
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From: Indianapolis
Oh I read that mick, thanks. I thought there was a new post or something. pretty interesting thread this is. I've been trolling around on it, and have read every page.
Boy I'm sure glad I have a 3rd gen and not one of those fugly 4th gens.
haha just kidding! 
Boy I'm sure glad I have a 3rd gen and not one of those fugly 4th gens.
haha just kidding!
Feb 1, 2005 | 07:24 AM
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From: Morgan Hill, CA
Originally Posted by INsr5runner
where is AK's explanation on t4r ? I couldn't find it. :-( someone wanna post a link please?
I think there was some more, but some threads were deleted. In one he was attacking YT on t4r, and stating we are just jealous, blah, blah. I think he deleted his own post.
Feb 1, 2005 | 07:28 AM
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From: boston, ma
Originally Posted by lee
dont know if you guys read this on T4r, but here's a response from billy:
Well, here is what you have been waiting for. I needed some time to think this through as to what was most appropriate to say regarding all of your concerns and questions. I could go to great lengths to talk about how many things described are incorrect and untrue, but obviously I am the last person any of you will believe so that is a waste of all of our time. Here is what I will say, and that is that, no questions will be answered after this post from me personally again.
Nitrous Enterprises came into being initially over a year ago when I began to build up my 4th gen 4Runner. As I did this many people followed the progress and became very interested. The very first NE products were spacers to add an additional lift height to the front of existing kits that were already on the market, this went great, and you all asked for more. Next came the complete kits as a great new material was discovered and the X-REAS scenario was resolved via the relocs that have been tested by a boeing engineer with more education and background experience in this field that any of you combined could ever attain. NE would not put a product out on the market that we did not believe in, and regardless of your thoughts pertaining to our relocs, they are a bulletproof product with a single doubt. FWIW, I will even go to the extent to tell you all publicly that a couple other companies that you are all very familiar with have been testing different reloc designs for months now, but have been continually forced to redesign and change their product the 15% needed to avoid patenting problems and paying us royalties on every set they sell. I will also state that the initial batch of our spacers were not up to my standards in appearance, but physically got the job done just fine and were just as good in appearance as the other two major coil spacer companies on the market, though we all know appearance means nothing in regards to functionality. 2 weeks were devoted over the holidays to change our current spacer design and improve them in every aspect, essentially turning their appearance into a work of art. These spacers will be circulating very soon, so I am sure you will all see pictures before you know it.
That is about as far as I want to go. In conclusion I feel very bad for the treatment all of you have given Tracy here as she and I have no hard feelings and just have gone our seperate ways. We still continue to communicate, and she will always be held in my highest regards. I do apologize to the yotatech and t4r communities as you have all been turned into victims of the moderators who show no class or respect in how they should be professionally conducting themselves. I follow this sentence with the knowing that I will be the next one to be accused of not handling myself professionally, but I have always existed on t4r soley as fourunnabilly and on yt as fourunnabilly. any other accusations or assumptions are false, though i do not expect any of you to believe this as the moderators are the ones who dictate the environment within these forums, not myself.
And finally, myself as well as everyone else involved with NE wants to thank every single one of you, no matter what you think of us. You all inspired this venture, and for the same reason it now comes to an end. Anyone reading this who has recently placed orders rest assured you will be taken care of to the best of our ability with our new molds and casting system. After that it is back to helping friends and building my own 4Runner again. Thanks again, I wish you all nothing but the best, as that is what you deserve.
Sincerely,
AK
Nitrous Enterprises came into being initially over a year ago when I began to build up my 4th gen 4Runner. As I did this many people followed the progress and became very interested. The very first NE products were spacers to add an additional lift height to the front of existing kits that were already on the market, this went great, and you all asked for more. Next came the complete kits as a great new material was discovered and the X-REAS scenario was resolved via the relocs that have been tested by a boeing engineer with more education and background experience in this field that any of you combined could ever attain. NE would not put a product out on the market that we did not believe in, and regardless of your thoughts pertaining to our relocs, they are a bulletproof product with a single doubt. FWIW, I will even go to the extent to tell you all publicly that a couple other companies that you are all very familiar with have been testing different reloc designs for months now, but have been continually forced to redesign and change their product the 15% needed to avoid patenting problems and paying us royalties on every set they sell. I will also state that the initial batch of our spacers were not up to my standards in appearance, but physically got the job done just fine and were just as good in appearance as the other two major coil spacer companies on the market, though we all know appearance means nothing in regards to functionality. 2 weeks were devoted over the holidays to change our current spacer design and improve them in every aspect, essentially turning their appearance into a work of art. These spacers will be circulating very soon, so I am sure you will all see pictures before you know it.
That is about as far as I want to go. In conclusion I feel very bad for the treatment all of you have given Tracy here as she and I have no hard feelings and just have gone our seperate ways. We still continue to communicate, and she will always be held in my highest regards. I do apologize to the yotatech and t4r communities as you have all been turned into victims of the moderators who show no class or respect in how they should be professionally conducting themselves. I follow this sentence with the knowing that I will be the next one to be accused of not handling myself professionally, but I have always existed on t4r soley as fourunnabilly and on yt as fourunnabilly. any other accusations or assumptions are false, though i do not expect any of you to believe this as the moderators are the ones who dictate the environment within these forums, not myself.
And finally, myself as well as everyone else involved with NE wants to thank every single one of you, no matter what you think of us. You all inspired this venture, and for the same reason it now comes to an end. Anyone reading this who has recently placed orders rest assured you will be taken care of to the best of our ability with our new molds and casting system. After that it is back to helping friends and building my own 4Runner again. Thanks again, I wish you all nothing but the best, as that is what you deserve.
Sincerely,
AK
