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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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Twin stick question

I saw a part for sale once that replaces the factory t-case stick and lets you shift into HI-LO and 2-4 independently with two sticks. What is this sort of thing called? Any information about how well it works and where I can get one?
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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I believe marlin sells this setup.

Keep in mind however, that the toyota "twin stick" is not a true twin stick design. With a toyota "twin stick" setup, you can engage hi and low independently, and you can engage 2 and 4 wheel drive independently. You cannot, however, engage Low front drive only, which is the point of a true twin stick design. So unless you rock crawl really hardcore, you really dont need a twin stick. And even if you do, a 'yota case isn't the way to go if you want twin stick capability.

Also, i dont think this is just a plug and play setup. You will need to weld tabs on the shift lever to keep the shifters from popping out.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:20 AM
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its called a twin stick
Sky Manufacturing sells them. http://www.sky-manufacturing.com/toyota.htm
Marlin Crawler sells them. http://www.marlincrawler.com/htm/tra...twin_stick.htm
and FROR sells them. http://frontrangeoffroadfab.com/nfos...46e3db764889de

i havent used one but i plan on getting the one marlin sells to put in my '79 yota.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:22 AM
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HERE is where you can find the twin stick set up. It is very easy to put in if you remove the t-case, a little harder if you do not.

They work very well.

I know that several people have built their own version, as the $200 price tag was more than they wanted to pay, but have had trouble getting them to seal properly. The Marlin ones seal and are tried and true.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathCougar
I believe marlin sells this setup.

Keep in mind however, that the toyota "twin stick" is not a true twin stick design. With a toyota "twin stick" setup, you can engage hi and low independently, and you can engage 2 and 4 wheel drive independently. You cannot, however, engage Low front drive only, which is the point of a true twin stick design. So unless you rock crawl really hardcore, you really dont need a twin stick. And even if you do, a 'yota case isn't the way to go if you want twin stick capability.

Also, i dont think this is just a plug and play setup. You will need to weld tabs on the shift lever to keep the shifters from popping out.
As far as i konw, it is pretty plug and play actually. You have to remove the interlock pin between the shift rails, but other than that...Only going off of Marlin's site.

As for front low only, please elaborate. I have never seen a transfer case that does that (not saying it doesn't exist, but i'd like to see some examples). Secondly, why you want that? Every twin stick i've seen on american trucks does exactly what they toy twin stick does, hi and low independant, and 2wd, 4wd independent.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:27 AM
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Found them

Here

Here
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:28 AM
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damn you guys are fast lol
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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thanks guys, thats what i needed to know
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 09:30 AM
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Some cases are designed for front-only low. What cases? i dont know. But, it allows you to pull the truck around corners better.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by DeathCougar
Some cases are designed for front-only low. What cases? i dont know. But, it allows you to pull the truck around corners better.
Dana 300, Atlas, Stak and a couple of others, I believe. This is because the toyota case is a straight through design; always in rear wheel drive. That's also the reason why you can't flat tow; there is no true neutral.

I owned FRORF's first twin-stick and loved it. Current rig doesn't have one and probably never will. If I ever do anything, I'll go with a TripleShifter from Toy4Crawling on PBB. All three shifters coming up through the stock tcase floorboard location.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 03:25 PM
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The tripple shifter is what i will do as well. I was so freaking happy when that came out...I was always bummed about having to make a second hole, and now i don't have to.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 03:33 PM
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If you are looking to have FWD only you need the rear d-shaft disengagement setup from FROR as the twin stick setups folks sell are not "true" twin sticks as most others are.

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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 04:55 PM
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Twinstick is a great help if you have a non-selectable front locker.

I helped install one in a Taco - it wasn't too bad.

Atlas transfer cases allow you to select which axle (front, rear, both, or none) runs.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by waskillywabbit
If you are looking to have FWD only you need the rear d-shaft disengagement setup from FROR as the twin stick setups folks sell are not "true" twin sticks as most others are.


I disagree with your last statement, Brian. The Toyota twins are true twin sticks, but the toyota tcase does not provide a provision to put power to the front wheels and disconnect the rear. That's why Marlin build his new case that is completely re-designed inside to allow this. Unfortunately, it hasn't made it to market yet.
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 06:47 PM
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talk to SAS'dToy here on yotatech he is a Marlin Dealer and good guy
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Old Dec 23, 2006 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rockota
I disagree with your last statement, Brian. The Toyota twins are true twin sticks, but the toyota tcase does not provide a provision to put power to the front wheels and disconnect the rear. That's why Marlin build his new case that is completely re-designed inside to allow this. Unfortunately, it hasn't made it to market yet.
I disagree with rockota.

Sure, they are two sticks that look alike, a.k.a. "twins" but they don't allow you to have FWD only due to the Toyota dual cases...you know what I mean.

Not sure it is needed anyway...

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Old Dec 24, 2006 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by waskillywabbit
I disagree with rockota.
Smarty!
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Old Dec 24, 2006 | 08:27 AM
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I never seen the need for a twin stick on a single tranfer case. If you want 2wd lo-range, put it in 4-LO and unlock the front hubs! You now just saved yourself $200!

James
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Old Dec 25, 2006 | 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by JamesD
I never seen the need for a twin stick on a single tranfer case. If you want 2wd lo-range, put it in 4-LO and unlock the front hubs! You now just saved yourself $200!

James

If you have an "automatic" locker getting out of the truck to unlock the hubs every time you want to turn gets old in a hurry! (Interestingly, the price of the locker + twinstick ends up costing about the same as an ARB...)
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