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Old Dec 26, 2006 | 10:23 PM
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I am getting a pre 85' toyota and was going to do 3 link with coils in the rear and springs up front. just wondering if anybody has tried this setup on a toyota and how it did out on the trails. also if anybody had any other ideas.

i was also thinking that instead of the 3link to just do leaf lift all the way around so it would still be streetable. but is it worth it? and also where to get the best springs for the lift, i am looking to do about a 8-10inch lift, but cant find the springs for that anywhere.
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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 06:41 AM
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Probably will get a better response here if you add some details.

What type of Toyota (4Runner, Pickup, LC, other)
What type of trails (very rocky, very muddy, very sandy)
Streetable... tolerant of street use and trailer everywhere else, or a capable daily driver.

In my opinion, 8-10" of lift is way to much for a trail rig. Lower the better. Sawzall is your friend. You'll find the best trail rigs are low, have cut sheet metal for the clearance they need and have generally gone wider with axle mods.

What size tires are you trying to stuff under it?
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Old Dec 27, 2006 | 07:26 AM
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What makes you think leafs will be any more streetable than a well done link setup?

I agree with Elvota - keep the lift minimal. 4-5" should clear 35's. Check out flygtenstein's rig
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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 12:13 AM
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i wanted to stuff either 33's or 35's under it. everyone around my area has starting running like 40's and are just digging the ruts deep. but i wanted to run 33's.
the trails around my area are a mix of rocky/muddy. but there is some real articulate stuff, you would need excellent flex for them. thats why i was thinking the three link with coils. there will be minimal street usage for this vehicle, mostly trailered everywhere we go. but i might drive it into town a couple times, but other than that no need for street usage.
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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 06:21 AM
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I'd bet you could get away with a 4" lift for either 33 or 35" tires... especially if you are prepared to hammer or cut a little sheet metal at the fender openings.

If you (or someone you know) has the experience to design a link system, I think I'd go that way. Ultimately you'll be able to get more flex and eliminate issues with axle wrap from running soft leaf springs or blocks. But if you are not capable, you'll find links to be troublesome and cause some issues with handling.

Ultimately, a good leaf setup will perform amazingly well and is hard to mess up. Plus the cost is significantly cheaper. There are tons of options, 63" Chevy rears, Toy rear springs up front, buggy leaves, multiple shackle configurations? search and ye shall be boggled.

Either way, you are going to have trouble following the rigs your friends have. A linked rig running 40" tires should be extremely capable. Hopefully there is a bypass or two that will let you keep up.
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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 06:36 AM
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No need for more than about a 3" leaf spring lift front and rear to fit 35s.

If you aren't afraid of the knife, I got 40s on about 4" of lift.

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Old Dec 28, 2006 | 06:55 AM
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trail gear just came out with there 3link kit and when i go sas it will get the rear 3link.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 09:17 AM
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well i think i have decided that when i get the truck i will just do 5inch leafs with 33's and cut the fenders. this seems like it would work good for me for now untill i start hitting the harder trails.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 09:37 AM
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well i think i have decided that when i get the truck i will just do 5inch leafs with 33's and cut the fenders. this seems like it would work good for me for now untill i start hitting the harder trails.
Either get less lift or bigger tires...33s on 5" of lift is gonna look "small".

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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by waskillywabbit
Either get less lift or bigger tires...33s on 5" of lift is gonna look "small".

Wabbit speaks the truth.
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 12:05 PM
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well then ill just go bigger tires......35's?
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Old Dec 29, 2006 | 01:30 PM
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Don't forget to add the cost for re-gearing... escpecially for 35's.

All these mods are like a huge line of dominos sometimes. Each step effecting the next.
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Old Jan 1, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvota
Don't forget to add the cost for re-gearing... escpecially for 35's.

All these mods are like a huge line of dominos sometimes. Each step effecting the next.
And a brake upgrade especially since it's going to be a streetable rig.

You may want to reconsider 33's and then build the rig's foundation besides just the suspension. Get a bl and tuck everything up really well. Armor everything, and since you're going to have to regear (especially with 35's) lock front and rear with a real locker not LSD.




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Old Jan 1, 2007 | 02:50 PM
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Or.....

Keep the stock suspension, get 29's, lockers, and some decent body armor.

You may laugh, but these guys can take names on a trail.
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Old Jan 1, 2007 | 04:05 PM
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yea, i still want to lift it a little but tho, and get some good size tires on it. but i bet that the stock suspension with some 29's would do pretty good.
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Old Jan 1, 2007 | 04:35 PM
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Old Jan 1, 2007 | 06:38 PM
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My 85 with a 3in lift fits 35s.
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