Modern diesels with common rail direct injection are quiet, don't smoke, start instantly and produce huge amounts of torque.

We purchased an M-B E320 CDI last fall. 369 lb/ft, 201 hp, 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 130 mph top end (governed) and 29.7 mpg overall so far with 36.1 mpg on a 650 mile highway trip. This in a 4,000 lb luxury sedan!

Europe is half diesel now, and the percentage keeps increasing. They've had good diesels for 6-7 years, while they are just beginning to trickle into the USA. Would I swap the 4.7 V8 in our 4Runner for an engine like this? In a heartbeat!

 

Not necessarily true. It depends what kind of engine it is. The Common Rail Diesels don't stink, and they don't even really sound very "dieselly". I have a friend with a '03 or '04 Dodge with the Cummins CRD, a 4" turboback, intake, and a chip, and that think has sooooooooo much torque, and it doesn't sound much like a normal diesel.

edit: I didn't read the whole thread, and it's very possible I just repeated what others said

 

I'm actually looking at a 2002 Excursion with the 7.3 PSD Turbo to replace the Explorer due to my commute (120 miles/day. burning gas like crazy). I drove it today and it was nice, only sounded "diesely" at startup, idle and inital acceleration. At highway you don't even know you're driving a diesel and it keeps up with traffic at 75 very nicely. I just have to see how it fits into my budget, if the higher payment will be offset by the reduction in gas purchasing payments.

 

if you are going to commute alot, why would you buy an excursion, sure the gas mileage will be decent considering youre driving about the biggest thing on the road, but why not buy a used civic or soemthing for under 1/5 the cost of a excursion and get mileage in the 30's

 

For the comfort factor. If I'm going to be in a car for 60-90 minutes each way, I want to be comfortable.

I did run the numbers with both gas & diesel at $2.10/gal, and the two vehicles come out tied for mileage; the Excursion goes farther due to the larger tank, but will cost the same to operate with a larger payment. So at this point, no go for the big diesel.

 

Actually Toyota has sold 2V and 3V Diesel engine for trucks and 4runner's for many years !!! unfortunately they're only available in Austrailia, Europe and the orient. I personally would swap in a minute !!! my 22RE is good , but to have the torque of a diesel and have no smog crap to deal with would be great !!! A diesel would make a great Crawler. I know their are engine importers that can get both above toyota diesels. if you search on google, you'll find them.maybe that'll be my eventual swap, I've been thinking of the 4.3 ZZ4 chevy motor or a 5.0, but the diesel would be the best for longevity out of those three !!! We all know that yotas run forever, and especially a diesel.........your wheels will fall off before a diesel wears out !!!!!

My .02

 

Here are some places in Los Angeles that can get the diesel and do the swap :

This site (www.sr5.net) and the sites below are your # 1 source for Toyota diesel engines

http://www.asapmotors.com/services/t...sel-engine.htm

2L's, 2L-T's, 3L's and 5L ‘s for sale in the greater Los Angeles area:

Engine Trend Inc
George
4515 S.Soto Street
Los Angeles,CA 90058
USA
Ph:1-800-939-3295
Ph323) 589-2844
http://www.enginetrend.com

Spector Offroad
Marv
21600 Nordhoff St
Chatsworth,CA 91311
USA
Ph818) 882-1238
http://www.sor.com

Reseda Engines in Northridge
Danny
8644 Darby Ave
Northridge,CA 91325
USA
Ph818) 349-7472

 

here 's some more stuff :

Perhaps the most interesting thing about the Hilux 4X4 to Americans are the available engines. After all,
The suspension found in the Hilux can be found in at least some older American Toyota trucks. Both the solid front axle and the torsion bar IFS suspension. But what can't be found are many of the available engines. While two diesel engines were available in the U.S. from the early to the mid 1980s, the 2L and the 2TL turbo version, both of these engines are quite rare and go for a premium, even in poor condition. However, the 2nd generation Toyota diesel engines, were never were available in the U.S. and are something to behold. Powerful and fuel efficient, they are the envy of many American 4 wheelers. But in many other countries, including some of the most remote places on earth, they are a dime a dozen.


Compiling information on the foreign Toyota engines is difficult at best. I've tried to present the information in the
most accurate format that I could. However, some information may turn out to be inaccurate. If any corrections are needed, please do not hesitate to let me me know HERE.




2.2/2.4 liter 20R/21R/22R/22RE Petrol (gasoline)


Years of production: 1978 through 1998

Specs for carburated 22R

Type: 4 cylinder petrol
Displacement: 2367cc
Borexstroke: 92x89mm
Compression ratio: 9 to 1

Horse Power: 105 @ 4800
Torque Output: 136 ft/lbs @ 2800

Notes: Standard in some U.S. models





3.0 liter 3VZ-E Petrol (gasoline)


Years of production: 1988 through 1995

Type: V-6 cylinder gasoline
Displacement: 2959cc
Borexstroke: 87.7 to 82mm
Compression ratio: 9 to 1

Horse Power: 150 @ 4800
Torque Output: 180 ft/lbs @ 180

Notes: Optional in some U.S. models -- only found
in Hilux Surfs (4Runner)

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2.4 liter 2L / 2L-II Diesel


Years of production: 1980 through current

Type: 4 cylinder diesel
Displacement: 2446cc
Borexstroke: 92x92mm
Compression ratio: 22.3 to 1

Horse Power: 72 @ 4000
Torque Output: 115 ft/lbs @ 2200

Notes: Optional in some U.S. models until 1985
Latest version called 2L-II




Picture from 2000 Toyota Norway brochure




2.4 liter 2LT Turbo Diesel




Picture from 2000 Toyota Norway brochure




1.8, 2.0, 2.2 liter 2Y, 3Y, 4Y Petrol (gasoline)




Years of production: 1984 through 1989

Type:
Displacement:
Borexstroke:
Compression ratio:

Horse Power:
Torque Output:

Notes:






2.8 liter 3L Diesel


Years of production: 1991 through 1997

Type: 4 cylinder diesel
Displacement: 2779cc
Borexstroke: 96x96mm
Compression ratio: 22.2 to 1

Horse Power: 67kW @ 4000 ?
Torque Output: 183Nm @ 2400

Notes:








3.0 liter 5L and 5L-E Diesel



Years of production: xxxx -- current

Type: 4 cylinder diesel
Displacement: 2986cc
Borexstroke: 99.5x96mm
Compression ratio: 22.2 to 1

Horse Power: 72kW @ 4000
Torque Output: 192Nm @ 2400

Notes: Specs are for 5L-E



5L mechanical inject.






2.7 liter 3RZ-FE Petrol (gasoline)



Years of production: 1994 through current

Type: 4 cylinder gasoline
Displacement: 2694cc
Borexstroke: 95x95mm
Compression ratio: 9.5 to 1

Horse Power: 150 @ 4800
Torque Output: 180 ft/lbs @ 2800

Notes: Standard in some U.S. models


Picture & graph from Toyota South Africa





3.0 liter KZ-TE Turbo Diesel




Years of production: 1993 through current
Optional in the Hilux: 2000 through current
Type: 4 cylinder turbo diesel
Displacement: 2982cc
Borexstroke: 96x103mm
Compression ratio: 21.2 to 1

Horse Power: 85 kW @ 3600
Torque Output: 315 ft/lbs @ 2000

Notes: Also found in some Landcruisers in the
early 1990s

 

If ur in the military or in europe and are moving back to the states u are allowed one european make auto/trk and japan already makes a diesel 4runner and has been making it for decades....they just don't import it to the USA (they don't share with us) cause they don't think americans are a good market for diesels.....

 

yeah, it's their revenge for us dropping the A bomb on them

 

That definitely wasn't funny.

 

Biodiesel blends are now becoming more available buy the day..
Spendier for now but once the infrastructure is created it will be a future fuel indeed..
Willy Nelson just started a Biodiesel brand..
It will be the future especially in the industrial sector..
No conversions needed for biodiesel either, a huge plus when looking at the phase out process needed for Hydrogen..
Better lubricity, Lower Emissions.. especially in a vegetable oil converted diesel..
This is the way Henry Ford meant it to be.. He designed his engine to run on multiple fuels but used mainly Hemp Oil!!! Support the Farmers eh :>

As for Buying a diesel Hell yeah!!
I have plans to drop a 3l diesel in my 88 toy asap!!
Sure parts are spendier but the 2g investment will pay it self off after the million mile life of the engine... It just might out live my truck..

BTW: Osama Loves Cadillac Escalades.. so does Bush..

 

"BTW: Osama Loves Cadillac Escalades.. so does Bush.."

Thanks for throwing that in, we all wanted to hear it in this discussion!

 

If we could import these diesel surf's then HELL YES !!!

 

Pretty sure you can import the Surfs, least thats what I thought. I do remember seeing some toyota 4runners and PUs from canada that did have diesel in them...but a rare find

 

well looking at the results, all i have to say is "hey toyota, are you listening???"

 

When my 22re dies I'm planning on swaping in a 2LT.

I know toyota makes forklifts, by any chance do you think that they might use the 2lt in a current forklift model? Has anyone looked into this, maybe contact some industrial forklift dealers and do some research? I'll start looking around, see what I can find. From what I've read the 2LT is a standalone engine, so it does not use an exstensive wire harness or ECU. So the swap might be feasible

 

Diesels are fine, but I personally see no need. My 2.7 does just fine, and its not noisy and doesn't use foul smelling fuel.

 

If I had the dough, I would import a diesel right now for my 88' runner AND my 92' landcruiser. you can's beat em' for great mileage and awesome power.
Please give me lots of dough so I can do this!

 

This is my engine

Well, mine is the 1KZ-T not the 1KZ-TE. It's nearly the same, mine is mecanical injection and the TE is electronic injection.

I'd like some of you testing my 4Runner. Some of you americans think diesels are smokey, dirty and loud. Your diesels are like that! What do you expect from a 7.5 diesel? This is not a truck engine, this is a trailer engine!

Diesel trucks are between 2.4-4.2 or so, this is a good engine, with between 100 and 190HP.

If I ever burn my engine I'd like to swap to the 1KD-FTV engine. It is the diesel engine fitted in the Prado (KDJ120/125) and I'd put the Toyota chip that makes it give 204HP.

204 diesel HP are not comparable to 204 fuel HP. IMO diesel is best for off roading.

David

PS: I'd change my diesel 4Runner for a SASed 3rd Gen