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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 11:21 AM
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The only + you will do is from the battery to the relay not the stater.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by maco35
The only + you will do is from the battery to the relay not the stater.
Got it - thanks! I assume I can justkeepo the existing spade connector on the starter and cut/connect the upper engine bay end to the relay right? That way I can leave the OEM connector on the starter and don't have to mess with getting in to the actual starter area down below.

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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 01:07 PM
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You don't have to cut no factory wires or connectors, the only thing you're gonna do is, add one male spade connector and one female connector to the relay, then you'll disconnect the stater solenoid female connector and go from there.

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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 01:14 PM
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 01:17 PM
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 01:22 PM
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Fat black wire female connector goes to stater solenoid male connector.
Skinny black wire male connector goes to female connector you disconnected from stater solenoid.
Red fused wire + battery to relay.
White wire ground.

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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by maco35
Fat black wire female connector goes to stater solenoid male connector.
Skinny black wire male connector goes to female connector you disconnected from stater solenoid.
Red fused wire + battery to relay.
White wire ground.
Got it. Surprising that all the parts m(including 2 packs of 12 gauge wire, 30 amp relay, relay adapter, 30amp in line fuse, heat shrink, etc) from Napa cost $65. It's worth it if it fixes it though!

Stay tuned.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 02:22 PM
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Charles4x4's,
Cancel your order for ignition switch. The fact that the C.O.R. clicks when you crank means IG switch is good.

Absence of starter relay on automatics, and wrong wiring of starter relay from the factory are proven faults. Fix them, because no matter what else you do, the fault will still be there. The reason problem is intermittent is because smooth starter solenoid operation, strong battery, un-corroded / un-pitted IG switch and starter relay contacts mask the problem.

That black module with black, pink and white wire looks strange. Could be unique to the auto.
Correct, Charles4x4, you do not have a starter relay like the manuals have.


One RAD Showed:
This is how to rewire a truck with a starter relay that was wired wrong IN THE FACTORY. Costs $11 and 30 minutes to fix. Easier than Hotshot (ask Griswald).


Sorry if I'm making this harder than it should be. I think I am going to simply replicate this
Exactly.
Make kit exactly as shown.
Use at least 12AWG wire.
Connect exactly where i say to connect the pins....
VROOOM!


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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 02:40 PM
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Got it. Surprising that all the parts m(including 2 packs of 12 gauge wire, 30 amp relay, relay adapter, 30amp in line fuse, heat shrink, etc) from Napa cost $65. It's worth it if it fixes it though!

Stay tuned.
$65.00? That's kind of expensive.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 02:44 PM
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Yes, $65 is expensive. try Amazon Relay. Find the "Bosch" one now Tyco in Germany or somewhere other than the communist bully of Asia.
You only need a few feet of wire, but yeah, nice to color-code.
Here's JPL's as built and installed:
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f120...l#post52370752
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 03:04 PM
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Thanks RAD. I haven’t opened ignition switch, so that will help offset cost.

Stuff from Napa is usually a little more, but it’s close to the house. Pic below of what I bought.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 04:04 PM
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Interim update:
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 04:52 PM
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Solved! Thanks guys. This has been a multiple week, multiple $100 plaguing problem. Worked like a charm!

Attaching a pic of the final product along with one of the ‘87 which I haven’t shown yet on the forum. Only one project left till the partial restoration is complete - checking out the fuel sender as gauge only works in middle 50% of fuel level. Dropping the tank tonight!
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 05:01 PM
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Nice truck!! And i also have the same problem with the fuel sender, i just keep track of miles driven and that's it.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by maco35
Nice truck!! And i also have the same problem with the fuel sender, i just keep track of miles driven and that's it.
yeah, that’s what I’ve been doing so far. My theory is that the float sticks since the gauge works in the kiddle
ofmits cycle. But who knows - only way will be to drop it and find out.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 05:37 PM
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There is info about it somewhere, the solution to the problem is to replace the fuel sender inside the fuel tank, for me it's a $163.00 replacement part i'll do it sometime down the road.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Charles4x4
Solved! Thanks guys. This has been a multiple week, multiple $100 plaguing problem. Worked like a charm!
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Awesome!
Yes, clean looking 4Runner!
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 07:23 PM
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There is info about it somewhere, the solution to the problem is to replace the fuel sender inside the fuel tank, for me it's a $163.00 replacement part i'll do it sometime down the road. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KTJD8YM...=1I6ZV62SLM35J
Mine is a Turbo with the digital dash, so many of the standard parts done comply with the Turbo dash (different resistance or something). I’ll either just Live with it or see if I can solve it if dropping the fuel tank isn’t too bad.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 07:55 PM
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Yeah, that kind of sucks, but you have a unicorn and that comes with some extra problems that are hard to fix, maybe an experienced electrician could rebuilt the copper part that breaks on the fuel sender but who knows.
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Old Nov 21, 2017 | 08:29 PM
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Maybe you can do something about it, and since you want to drop the fuel tank do some cleaning on the fuel sending unit. If it works that's great, if it doesn't at least you tried and there is nothing to loose it's a learning process. https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f114...repair-252091/
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