"190 HP" 3VZE and Exhaust Question
08-11-2013, 07:20 PM
#41
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What? Tacomas are American made. That's a fact. (The reasoning behind it is that US Auto Manufacturers demanded and got an absurd 25% of value tariff on imported pickups -- think it was something absurd like $7k per vehicle or something at the time. It's actually been recently in the news: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...0104/308050025 )
Yes, IMO, the previous generation Toyota Pickups (Japan-made Hiluxes up to 93, and my rig is a Japan VIN) are much more durable vehicles than were the next generation Tacomas.
First generation Tacomas had a host off issues resulting from them being specifically designed for American highway/personal/commuter use, versus the Toyota Pickups/Hiluxes being designed to be driven offroad, third world country offroad (effectively offroad), and commercial use...
The engine improvement between generations was largely due to computers btw, computer aided design, etc, that previously required actually building individual parts and trying them instead of running computer models. All the stuff that engineers couldn't do as easily in the 70s/80s when the previous generation of engines was designed.
First gen Tacomas had frame rust issues, less robust rack and pinion steering, front frame arms prone to cracking, ball joint issues (though not as severe as the Tundras), coiled struts on front end, electrical issues w/ important stuff like cruise control, etc.
This does a pretty good comparison: http://www.brian894x4.com/Hiluxdifferences.html
Yes, IMO, the previous generation Toyota Pickups (Japan-made Hiluxes up to 93, and my rig is a Japan VIN) are much more durable vehicles than were the next generation Tacomas.
First generation Tacomas had a host off issues resulting from them being specifically designed for American highway/personal/commuter use, versus the Toyota Pickups/Hiluxes being designed to be driven offroad, third world country offroad (effectively offroad), and commercial use...
The engine improvement between generations was largely due to computers btw, computer aided design, etc, that previously required actually building individual parts and trying them instead of running computer models. All the stuff that engineers couldn't do as easily in the 70s/80s when the previous generation of engines was designed.
First gen Tacomas had frame rust issues, less robust rack and pinion steering, front frame arms prone to cracking, ball joint issues (though not as severe as the Tundras), coiled struts on front end, electrical issues w/ important stuff like cruise control, etc.
This does a pretty good comparison: http://www.brian894x4.com/Hiluxdifferences.html
08-11-2013, 07:26 PM
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Take it easy. I was more or less being grateful that their not made in china like nissan. Which is a harbor freight toyota. All joking aside your right it is a big issue with the new old toyota vs the old toyota, but toyota still has the quality influence on their vehicles over other manufacturers, now matter where there built, at least for now.
08-11-2013, 07:29 PM
#43
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Gotcha.
And I'm not bashing American made.
Just pointing out non-visual stuff that's important to me and why I purchased and drive my truck, stuff that most Americans don't care about -- the original comment was something to the effect of "unless you're in love with that model body...". That's why I thought the Land Cruiser vs Sequoia comparison was a good one. One's built for third world dictators and/or first world businessmen in third world countries going over non-stop potholed and washed out "roads" while the other's made for Mom's that want to be able to haul all 4 of their kids to the mall, buy a bunch of crap and still have room to load up on groceries and other bulk packaged disposables at Costco on the way home (and not have to drive one of the sweet 80s conversion vans). Haha.
And I'm not bashing American made.
Just pointing out non-visual stuff that's important to me and why I purchased and drive my truck, stuff that most Americans don't care about -- the original comment was something to the effect of "unless you're in love with that model body...". That's why I thought the Land Cruiser vs Sequoia comparison was a good one. One's built for third world dictators and/or first world businessmen in third world countries going over non-stop potholed and washed out "roads" while the other's made for Mom's that want to be able to haul all 4 of their kids to the mall, buy a bunch of crap and still have room to load up on groceries and other bulk packaged disposables at Costco on the way home (and not have to drive one of the sweet 80s conversion vans). Haha.
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08-12-2013, 06:16 AM
#44
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Trading the Japan made 2nd gen/3rd gen Pickup for an American made Tacoma is like trading a Land Cruiser for a Sequoia. Same goes for the 1st/2nd Gen 4Runners/Hilux Surfs and American made 4Runners. Something to be said for quality, durability, reliability, and understated awesomeness, that's more than just appearance/body style. The only thing I have an interest in the newer gens is the engine -- well, side impact braced front doors would be cool too, but I can find those in a 94 or 95 same gen...
But he can sell/part out his 3vze engine and other components not needed for the swap to fund ~$1k of the swap as well. Around here, a good condition 4x4 2nd-3rd gen pickup or 1st/2nd gen 4Runner is ~$4k all day long... Little rust for one, but a lot of that demand is also these truck heading down to Mexico and the rest of Central America.
But he can sell/part out his 3vze engine and other components not needed for the swap to fund ~$1k of the swap as well. Around here, a good condition 4x4 2nd-3rd gen pickup or 1st/2nd gen 4Runner is ~$4k all day long... Little rust for one, but a lot of that demand is also these truck heading down to Mexico and the rest of Central America.
08-12-2013, 11:56 AM
#45
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Thank you for correcting that info.
I knew the FJs were Japan made. I didn't realize that the 4Runners were... Obviously not an expert on them, haha.
And since I've succeeded in derailing this thread... I wonder with the rumored Tacoma/Hilux production alignment, how that'll affect the 4Runners? (Read: http://www.overlandexpo.com/overland...ota-hilux.html)
I know that Hiluxes went to the front wishbone/coil spring suspension on the current gen like the Tacoma's and 4Runners, but still kept a separate, stronger frame than the Tacoma and I don't think the 4R frame's had been aligned w/ pickups since '95 or so...
I knew the FJs were Japan made. I didn't realize that the 4Runners were... Obviously not an expert on them, haha.
And since I've succeeded in derailing this thread... I wonder with the rumored Tacoma/Hilux production alignment, how that'll affect the 4Runners? (Read: http://www.overlandexpo.com/overland...ota-hilux.html)
I know that Hiluxes went to the front wishbone/coil spring suspension on the current gen like the Tacoma's and 4Runners, but still kept a separate, stronger frame than the Tacoma and I don't think the 4R frame's had been aligned w/ pickups since '95 or so...
01-21-2014, 09:22 PM
#47
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I wish there was a filter that blocked all the schmucks that hijack the threads that have anything to do with working on our 3.0s. It makes it a PITA to find any information! That being said, I'm about to start swapping some LCE headers from my 93 onto my 90. What did you end up using Toreador?
01-22-2014, 06:26 AM
#48
Headers for the 3.0
I ended up with Doug Thorley headers. Ran out with 2.5" pipes, including hi-flow cat. There is a noticeable loss of torque at low RPM's, as others have warned. Since I never intended to rock-crawl, I don't have a problem with it.
Love the Doug Thorleys, though.
It might be tough to install them with the engine in place. I had the advantage of being able to lower it 3/4 into place, then work the headers in from beneath. Easy duty.
Thanks for asking.
Love the Doug Thorleys, though.
It might be tough to install them with the engine in place. I had the advantage of being able to lower it 3/4 into place, then work the headers in from beneath. Easy duty.
Thanks for asking.
09-10-2018, 04:55 PM
#49
Just advanced my timing to 27 degrees factory is 12 degrees and all I can say is my 190 hp 3vze feels freaking amazing, air fuel ratio gauge is hovering at 14.7 and my idle is at a perfect 850-900 and starts pulling at low 2k rpm to 5k rpm very nicely. This motor comes alive with advanced timing because at 12 degrees it felt ok but above 20 is where it’s at. I ordered my motor with ported heads and had the intake plenum and intake manifold ported as well and topped it of with s bored out throttle body. So after 33k miles on my motor the only issue I’ve had was recently the cam plugs started leaking oil had my mechanic replace them now no more leak.
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