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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 08:18 PM
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22re cam

hello guys i bought a 22re with a lc stage 3 cam and im having the problem of when i put it in gear it dies i have a auto trans and its in a 1985 toyota pickup i have talked to several people and they said its the cam its too large Any ideas of what i can do im thinking about putting a smaller cam but id like to see what you guys have to say about it
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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 09:23 PM
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On their website LCE notes that a stage 3 cam "will not work with the stock 22re computer. Requires stand alone engine management for fuel injected applications".

So, how stock is the rest of the engine and it's electronics?
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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 09:25 PM
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On their website LCE notes that a stage 3 cam "will not work with the stock 22re computer. Requires stand alone engine management for fuel injected applications".

So, how stock is the rest of the engine and it's electronics?
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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gsp4life
On their website LCE notes that a stage 3 cam "will not work with the stock 22re computer. Requires stand alone engine management for fuel injected applications".

So, how stock is the rest of the engine and it's electronics?
its all stock electronics i got a good deal for the engine and i jumped on it and made the mistake of not doing my research
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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 09:31 PM
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Well congrats on the good deal. Sounds like someone may have thrown some fancy racing parts at a stock setup and sold it when it didn't work. That's ok, now you get to make it right. Buy a stage 1 or just stock cam (nothing wrong with stock parts believe it or not, Toyota knew what it was doing!) and get that engine back to running condition.
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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by gsp4life
Well congrats on the good deal. Sounds like someone may have thrown some fancy racing parts at a stock setup and sold it when it didn't work. That's ok, now you get to make it right. Buy a stage 1 or just stock cam (nothing wrong with stock parts believe it or not, Toyota knew what it was doing!) and get that engine back to running condition.
yeah that is my option is it simple to replace a cam from what you know? i will also do my research
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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 09:54 PM
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Normally you'd want to replace the headgasket if you're pulling the valve train (held down by head bolts) to access the cam underneath. But, if you run a few ratchet straps under the rocker towers and camshaft down around the entire engine, you have a workable shortcut. Use the manual to loosen and pull the head bolts in the correct order, yes it does matter or you can warp the head.

​​​​​​If you were to release all the pressure between the head and block, then the head gasket will shift slightly and never seal right again. Strap it down and you will be able to loosen the 3 cam caps and install the right part. 14 ft/lbs, iirc and use a good torque wrench, it's well worth it to get those values right.
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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by gsp4life
Normally you'd want to replace the headgasket if you're pulling the valve train (held down by head bolts) to access the cam underneath. But, if you run a few ratchet straps under the rocker towers and camshaft down around the entire engine, you have a workable shortcut. Use the manual to loosen and pull the head bolts in the correct order, yes it does matter or you can warp the head.

​​​​​​If you were to release all the pressure between the head and block, then the head gasket will shift slightly and never seal right again. Strap it down and you will be able to loosen the 3 cam caps and install the right part. 14 ft/lbs, iirc and use a good torque wrench, it's well worth it to get those values right.
thanks for the info ill see what i can do
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Old Aug 25, 2018 | 10:07 PM
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Ask more questions if there's anything you're not sure of. I read a thread on yotatech some years back about strapping the head down to replace a cam. I did it and so far so good thousands of miles later.
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Old Aug 26, 2018 | 02:48 PM
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Ask more questions if there's anything you're not sure of. I read a thread on yotatech some years back about strapping the head down to replace a cam. I did it and so far so good thousands of miles later.
what would be the best cam for the 22re i was thinking about a stage 2 or the efi pro from lc its an auto trans and id like i bit more power than stock since im running 35s with stock gearing
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Old Aug 26, 2018 | 03:01 PM
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A cam won't give you any more power, what it's actually doing is just moving the power band.

A cam made for low-end torque should help a little bit from a dead stop, but with 35's you really would do best to regear.
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Old Aug 27, 2018 | 09:41 AM
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Alright thanks
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Old Aug 27, 2018 | 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gsp4life
A cam won't give you any more power, what it's actually doing is just moving the power band.

A cam made for low-end torque should help a little bit from a dead stop, but with 35's you really would do best to regear.
i have a compession ratio of 9:8:1 and what do you think would be the best cam without having the same problem of it dying when i put it in gear?
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Old Aug 27, 2018 | 10:27 AM
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Engnbldr has the 261c crawler cam, which is made to prioritize low-rpm torque. I don't know if they have those in stock right now, but any mild cam meant for a rock crawler will be your best bet.
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Old Aug 28, 2018 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gsp4life
Engnbldr has the 261c crawler cam, which is made to prioritize low-rpm torque. I don't know if they have those in stock right now, but any mild cam meant for a rock crawler will be your best bet.
and do you know if thats going to get rid of that idling issue?
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Old Aug 28, 2018 | 04:52 PM
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I have no idea how many contributing factors there are going on with your truck, but I know that your cam isn't meant to work with the stock ecm. That alone would have me wanting to change it out for something closer to stock, but it doesn't guarantee that things will all work great after it's in.
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Old Aug 28, 2018 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by gsp4life
I have no idea how many contributing factors there are going on with your truck, but I know that your cam isn't meant to work with the stock ecm. That alone would have me wanting to change it out for something closer to stock, but it doesn't guarantee that things will all work great after it's in.
alright thanks ill see what i can do and wht i can find out I understand were you coming from
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by gsp4life
I have no idea how many contributing factors there are going on with your truck, but I know that your cam isn't meant to work with the stock ecm. That alone would have me wanting to change it out for something closer to stock, but it doesn't guarantee that things will all work great after it's in.
Along a similar line to what gps said. Some cams require other parts that work best with the cam for instance - bigger valves or rocker arms (and perhaps with a different ratio). And, that, or those, different part(s) may not be compatible with a stock cam/motor. Also, has any porting or other machine work been done on the head? .
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Old Aug 29, 2018 | 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by L5wolvesf
Along a similar line to what gps said. Some cams require other parts that work best with the cam for instance - bigger valves or rocker arms (and perhaps with a different ratio). And, that, or those, different part(s) may not be compatible with a stock cam/motor. Also, has any porting or other machine work been done on the head? .
Thanks yeah i found out stage 3 head wont work with a 22re ecu so im just gling to rebuild my old motor
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