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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 07:14 PM
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Open Differential Braking Trick

So I've heard that when your in a low traction situation with open differentials, hitting the brakes a little can help 'trick' the diff into sending torque to the wheel with traction.

The other day I was out wheeling in a muddy area and got a little stuck in some ruts. I saw that the front driver side tire wasn't moving and that the passenger side was obviously spinning.

I thought I might as well try the brake thing and sure enough jabbing the brake pedal a few times seemed to get the driver side tire to spin too and I started moving again.

Now maybe it was just the placebo effect but it appeared to work.

Another thing to consider is I wasn't really 'stuck', more or less just a bit hung up, open diffs and all.

So I'm just wondering what everyone else thinks of this, useful wheeling technique or complete bull?

I tried searching around Google for a bit but didn't come up with much. There was a thread on pirate4x4 but it wasn't a very technical discussion.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 07:33 PM
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Cool story. But I'd rather have a real locker on both ends


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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 07:38 PM
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Indeed that is a way to help yourself out. I do the same thing with a Trutrac limited slip....
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 07:40 PM
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E-brake is more effective.
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 08:41 PM
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Um....not on the front....
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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BigBluePile
Um....not on the front....
exactly.


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Old Sep 18, 2010 | 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by scuba
Cool story. But I'd rather have a real locker on both ends


Yeah... Cool story..
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Old Sep 19, 2010 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by yotaman85
E-brake is more effective.
Front brakes are too strong to really pull it off?

I've never actually tried using the parking brake before, what would be the best way to do it?

Give it a few sharp yanks or hold it steady?

I'm looking to buy an Aussie locker for the rear eventually but for now I'm stuck wheeling with open diffs.
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Old Sep 19, 2010 | 07:58 AM
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when I get into a situation like this instead of using the brake i just lift the throttle a little bit till I feel traction and then give it a little more gas. kinda hard to give it brake and clutch at the same time to prevent from stalling where traction will not mean crap. lol.
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Old Sep 19, 2010 | 08:28 AM
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yeah true, i guess you gotta go easy on the brakes so ya dont stall.
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Old Sep 20, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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I have some brake biasing tips (for limited slip) on the page below:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/TrueTrac.shtml#Impressions
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 08:44 AM
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I can confirm this. Bone stock 92 runner so it's got an open diff in the back. Put the brakes on and slowly got on the gas until the rear wheels spun, low and behold there were two holes in the gravel after.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by scuba
Cool story. But I'd rather have a real locker on both ends


Not everyone starts off with F+R lockers.

This is called Brake Throttle Modulation or BTM for short. It does work to simulate a locker short term, but won't be practical to do for a whole day.

The way it works is by applying the brakes, it will slow down the axle that is spinning fast enough so that the diff will try to send some power to the non-spinning axle.
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 09:36 AM
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I was told this last time I went out wheeling by a more experienced guy in our group and it worked. It's no replacement for a locker, but good info to share!!
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Old Sep 28, 2010 | 11:20 AM
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i tried this with my rear wheel spinning in loose dirt, they were spinning about 20mph, i stabbed the brake and held it about half way and it worked. only for a few seconds, but it could be the difference between stuck or not stuck
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Old Nov 27, 2010 | 02:49 PM
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Done it before to rock myself out of a mudhole.
Only to move 3 more feet and get stuck even harder
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Old Apr 14, 2011 | 07:41 PM
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Good to know as something to at least try, but not rely on. Hopefully I'll be upgrading to at least a rear locker soon. Will still be able to use this trick for the front though.
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