Lunchbox lockers in the snow.
#21
I've got a Detroit EZ locker in the rear.
We're in the last leg of what everyone calls, "the bitter Canadian" winters.
I absolutely love it. Highway speeds, on road, off road. Just playing around in snow, rain, anything. It's pretty much silent. Only bucking i get is doing really tight parking lot maneuvers. But thats controlable with the clutch.
Best bang for the buck in my opinion.
I would put one in the front of my rig, if I didn't already have a really crappy turning radius. I'll be doing a Supra 7.5 LSD up front.
We're in the last leg of what everyone calls, "the bitter Canadian" winters.
I absolutely love it. Highway speeds, on road, off road. Just playing around in snow, rain, anything. It's pretty much silent. Only bucking i get is doing really tight parking lot maneuvers. But thats controlable with the clutch.
Best bang for the buck in my opinion.
I would put one in the front of my rig, if I didn't already have a really crappy turning radius. I'll be doing a Supra 7.5 LSD up front.
#22
I had a lock rite in my 1988 V6 xtracab, 33" mud tires, for 6 years without any major problems, other than icy off camber and curves in which I had to drive more cautiously than usual (and going through more u-joints than people without lunchbox lockers). Essentially you'll get the hang of a lunchbox locker within the first few minutes of driving on snow/ice, pending that you have decent driving awareness/skills. All you have to do is lay off the gas on icy and off-camber corners, or worst case scenario put it in 4wd. Easy. I remember driving home during rush hour at one to two mph and sliding sideways toward the car beside me due to off-camber, icy bridge conditions, and that was with gentle feathering of the pedal. Fortunately I was smart enough to manually engage my hubs before I left for home.
And I agree with everyone that says don't let just anyone drive your lockered truck on snow/ice. If they aren't aware they will find themselves in the ditch pretty quick.
Definitely get one, I had no regrets...but I love my e-locker way more!
Cheers
And I agree with everyone that says don't let just anyone drive your lockered truck on snow/ice. If they aren't aware they will find themselves in the ditch pretty quick.
Definitely get one, I had no regrets...but I love my e-locker way more!
Cheers
#23
I second this.. and how could you leave glacier for ohio?!?1 I love washington
I feel compelled to post my feelings on running a "lunchbox" in the rear axle, on road, in the snow. I have read multiple posts, and reposts, with different feelings concerning lunchbox lockers while driving in snowy and icy road conditions with little feedback from drivers who have actually used them in these situations. I have just returned from a roadtrip that ran my Tacoma from the mountain passes of montana, to wyoming, idaho, and colorado. I drove primary and secondary roads, covered with solid ice, foot deep drifts, blowing snow, packed snow, and powder snow. The only condition I did not encounter for a considerable amount of time was slush.
Vehicle specs: 97 4wd Tacoma, 33" bfg mt, auto tranny, lockright locker in rear, axle with a considerable amount of weight in the bed.
Accelleration and decelleration on all winter conditions had very very little adverse affects, if any at all.
Patchey snow, and ice, where one side of the road is dry, and the other ice or snow, is where the lockright really shined. It gave great traction, and kept the truck extremely managable on these conditions with almost NO rear wheel slippage. A BIG plus in all aspects.
Powder snow(3+ inches or more on road surface) my truck handled as it did prior to lockright install. Very little if any noticable difference with or without locker.
Solid Ice on road. I encountered this where drifting and blowing snow would encounter the black sun warmed roads, and thus melt instantly covering the roads with a 1/2" of solid ice. Suprisingly I was able to keep a 40 to 45 miles per hour pace, keeping a feel for any wheel slippage so I can react with slight decelleration to prevent my rear end from sliding to the lower side of the road. Not a big deal, I ran at least 50 miles of SOLID ice on flat roads.
Packed snow: Packed roads, completely covered, but packed from other vehicles passing over multiple times. These conditions I was able to run 50+ miles per hour, and had great traction. No adverse affects.
Mountain Passes with extremely sharp curves covered in snow/ice:
Truck will want to understeer a bit because of slightly more traction in the back than in front. Had to keep this in mind. However, where if other vehicles would stop, they would not have the traction to get moving again, whereas my locked truck would. I'm not sure if this is because of added weight or a direct result of the locked rear end.
Well I hope this helps all those inquiries where people are questioning the use of lockers in snow. I had a thorough testing opportunity on this roadtrip and was pleased with the manners, and drive-ability of my lunchbox locked tacoma 4x4.
I lived in Northwest Washington also in the town of Glacier. When everyone else was digging out their truck......I was not. The main vehicles in my town was Subaurus, toyota pickups, and tacomas. My truck hands down, was always the one giving rides up one of the most dangerous mountain highways in the world: Washington St Highway 542....why? Becuase it was the only locked rig around; however I was reluctant to let my friends drive it as they always were amazed at how it "DOES DONUTS LIKE A 4WHEELER"
-Chad
Vehicle specs: 97 4wd Tacoma, 33" bfg mt, auto tranny, lockright locker in rear, axle with a considerable amount of weight in the bed.
Accelleration and decelleration on all winter conditions had very very little adverse affects, if any at all.
Patchey snow, and ice, where one side of the road is dry, and the other ice or snow, is where the lockright really shined. It gave great traction, and kept the truck extremely managable on these conditions with almost NO rear wheel slippage. A BIG plus in all aspects.
Powder snow(3+ inches or more on road surface) my truck handled as it did prior to lockright install. Very little if any noticable difference with or without locker.
Solid Ice on road. I encountered this where drifting and blowing snow would encounter the black sun warmed roads, and thus melt instantly covering the roads with a 1/2" of solid ice. Suprisingly I was able to keep a 40 to 45 miles per hour pace, keeping a feel for any wheel slippage so I can react with slight decelleration to prevent my rear end from sliding to the lower side of the road. Not a big deal, I ran at least 50 miles of SOLID ice on flat roads.
Packed snow: Packed roads, completely covered, but packed from other vehicles passing over multiple times. These conditions I was able to run 50+ miles per hour, and had great traction. No adverse affects.
Mountain Passes with extremely sharp curves covered in snow/ice:
Truck will want to understeer a bit because of slightly more traction in the back than in front. Had to keep this in mind. However, where if other vehicles would stop, they would not have the traction to get moving again, whereas my locked truck would. I'm not sure if this is because of added weight or a direct result of the locked rear end.
Well I hope this helps all those inquiries where people are questioning the use of lockers in snow. I had a thorough testing opportunity on this roadtrip and was pleased with the manners, and drive-ability of my lunchbox locked tacoma 4x4.
I lived in Northwest Washington also in the town of Glacier. When everyone else was digging out their truck......I was not. The main vehicles in my town was Subaurus, toyota pickups, and tacomas. My truck hands down, was always the one giving rides up one of the most dangerous mountain highways in the world: Washington St Highway 542....why? Becuase it was the only locked rig around; however I was reluctant to let my friends drive it as they always were amazed at how it "DOES DONUTS LIKE A 4WHEELER"

-Chad
#25
#28
soon to have Spartan rear locker
I have a 1990 4Runner with open diffs. We off road it every weekend in Alberta year round. With 31" Kumo winter tires and Ome suspension, I go just about anywhere I need to go. I am about to install a Spartan lunch box locker in the rear and cannot wait to see the difference and plan on re posting as soon as I can about my experience. This site has helped me virtually with everything I have done on my truck so I would like to give a little back.
#29
Hey Steve, I just put a Spartan in the rear end of my 90 4Runner a few weeks ago..
Its great on snow and ice, much more of a nuisance on dry pavement. Before installing it I was getting really frustrated with having to shift into 4wd all the time just to get moving from a stop. The roads have been so slippery in Edmonton this year that almost every time I came to a red light or stop sign I would basically get 'stuck'. Now I just let the clutch out slowly, the rear end digs in and I'm off. It might slide to the side for a second or two but it usually catches quickly and straightens out.
The truck is actually more predictable and easier to control at times. Engine braking on icy roads used to make the rear end fishtail and slide around, now I find it much more stable.
The most annoying part so far is taking a turn from a stop on dry roads. If your already moving you just hold the clutch down while going through the turn, not a big deal. But say your taking a right turn from a stop sign, you have to apply power to the rear to get moving but you also have to immediately start turning, this causes the inside tire to scuff and hop. I can't think of any way to avoid this and its definitely the biggest downside.
Also, I had a problem with my Spartan.. make sure your pins slide up and down nice and smoothly in the driver holes. Mine were constantly getting wedged and therefore it wouldn't disengage properly. I still suspect it might not be working correctly but its hard to test with the roads so slippery. Here's a thread I started about that.
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...-issue-263043/
We should go wheeling some time!
Its great on snow and ice, much more of a nuisance on dry pavement. Before installing it I was getting really frustrated with having to shift into 4wd all the time just to get moving from a stop. The roads have been so slippery in Edmonton this year that almost every time I came to a red light or stop sign I would basically get 'stuck'. Now I just let the clutch out slowly, the rear end digs in and I'm off. It might slide to the side for a second or two but it usually catches quickly and straightens out.
The truck is actually more predictable and easier to control at times. Engine braking on icy roads used to make the rear end fishtail and slide around, now I find it much more stable.
The most annoying part so far is taking a turn from a stop on dry roads. If your already moving you just hold the clutch down while going through the turn, not a big deal. But say your taking a right turn from a stop sign, you have to apply power to the rear to get moving but you also have to immediately start turning, this causes the inside tire to scuff and hop. I can't think of any way to avoid this and its definitely the biggest downside.
Also, I had a problem with my Spartan.. make sure your pins slide up and down nice and smoothly in the driver holes. Mine were constantly getting wedged and therefore it wouldn't disengage properly. I still suspect it might not be working correctly but its hard to test with the roads so slippery. Here's a thread I started about that.
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...-issue-263043/
We should go wheeling some time!
#31
Front lockers in a 4x4 with locking hubs i fantastic as long as your axle can take it. Unless your hubs are locked you'd never be able to here it clicking, or feel it on the road. But as soon as you lock the hubs you'd get crazy traction.
I have an aussie locker in the rear and love it. In the snow it's alright, just drive like a grandma and you'll stay on te road. Offroad performance is awesome.
I have an aussie locker in the rear and love it. In the snow it's alright, just drive like a grandma and you'll stay on te road. Offroad performance is awesome.
#32
finally got the locker installed along with 4.88 gears. Ive been on vacation so havent needed to drive to work and thank gawd for that. First day just down the street from home, what sounded like a small gun going off is my new locker. At the slightest turn or angle of the wheel it spools and pops. I made a wheel locked turn at the end of the street with almost no throttle and moving about 2kms. My truck jerked and pops and lurches. I thought the whole thing was toast.
Later that evening I decide to try it out again. Spools once and pops when I back out of my drive way, then proceeds to ratchet like it should at every right hand turn. Turning left it stays locked and drags one of the tires. So far I have only driven a couple kms with it but to say it changed the handling characteristics a little is a understatement!
I can honestly tell anyone who askes to drive my Runner, NO! This is a highly modified machine. Only trained drivers. lol Very much joking.
I am looking forward to seeing it off road and also how much better the new gears will be for low end power.
On another note I found a 90 4runner with 3 fender flairs at pick and pull today. If anyone out there happens to have a incomplete set they want to get rid of let me know.
Later that evening I decide to try it out again. Spools once and pops when I back out of my drive way, then proceeds to ratchet like it should at every right hand turn. Turning left it stays locked and drags one of the tires. So far I have only driven a couple kms with it but to say it changed the handling characteristics a little is a understatement!
I can honestly tell anyone who askes to drive my Runner, NO! This is a highly modified machine. Only trained drivers. lol Very much joking.
I am looking forward to seeing it off road and also how much better the new gears will be for low end power.
On another note I found a 90 4runner with 3 fender flairs at pick and pull today. If anyone out there happens to have a incomplete set they want to get rid of let me know.
#33
However, I'm concerned about it not unlocking and ratcheting when you turn left. It should act the same turning in either direction. Did the instructions call for not reusing spacers that would have been originally between the factory side gears and the carrier? If so, it's possible that a spacer might have been left in between the right side coupler halves and the carrier. That would make those coupler halves fit too tight to ratchet, causing that side to not unlock when turning left.
Last edited by William; Aug 6, 2013 at 09:57 PM.
#34
Ya Im getting used to the sounds and clunks. Not one single person standing around does tho. I called Randy's ring and pinion who makes the Spartan locker and he didn't have much to say other than to drop the oil and see if there are any shavings in there. Once I have done that he wants me to call him back. I removed all the right parts and installed everything as the instructions said. Trust me this is eating me up, Ive been spending all my vacation so far re reading the instructions and everything online I can find. You were right about it getting better. The more I drive it the less it scares me. Still only about 40kms so far. Ill keep the updates coming till I know its running properly.
#35
Your locker shouldn't clunk and bang when you corner on dry roads, nor should the inside tire scuff and hop when you power moderately through a corner. With power applied, a properly working auto locker always sends the torque to the inside (slower) wheel, and allows the outside one to overrun the ring gear with some mild clicking as the ratchet mechanism works. If it is working properly, applying power will not lock both wheels together. The faster wheel should be always free to ratchet. (Note: strong acceleration in a tight corner can cause some chirping of the inside tire. This is because the inside tire is providing all of the drive for the vehicle, and it is also lightly loaded because of the cornering forces. This is normal.)
If your locker alternately locks up and then releases with a bang in a corner, it means the spacings are not right inside, and things are getting wedged where they shouldn't.
A quick test you can do with a buddy to see if your locker is working properly. Put the truck in gear, block the front wheels, and jack up both rear wheels. Now have your buddy rotate the left wheel forward as far as possible and hold it there. You should then be able to rotate the right wheel backwards and hear the rachet clicking smoothly. Repeat with your buddy rotating the left wheel backwards as far as it will go, and then try to rotate the right wheel forward. Again, it should smoothly ratchet forward with relatively low effort. Then swap places and repeat the test with the right wheel held and the left wheel ratcheting.
If, for any of these tests, the wheel hangs up and refuses to ratchet, and the axles appear to be solidly locked together, the locker or the installation is defective, and you really should open it up and find out why.
If your locker alternately locks up and then releases with a bang in a corner, it means the spacings are not right inside, and things are getting wedged where they shouldn't.
A quick test you can do with a buddy to see if your locker is working properly. Put the truck in gear, block the front wheels, and jack up both rear wheels. Now have your buddy rotate the left wheel forward as far as possible and hold it there. You should then be able to rotate the right wheel backwards and hear the rachet clicking smoothly. Repeat with your buddy rotating the left wheel backwards as far as it will go, and then try to rotate the right wheel forward. Again, it should smoothly ratchet forward with relatively low effort. Then swap places and repeat the test with the right wheel held and the left wheel ratcheting.
If, for any of these tests, the wheel hangs up and refuses to ratchet, and the axles appear to be solidly locked together, the locker or the installation is defective, and you really should open it up and find out why.
#36
Just got back from the snow in my 87 4runner with an aussie auto locker in the back. You will catch on and adjust your habits. It's not that bad. When you come across a slanted corner, you'll know what to expect and how to deal with your back end swingin in after a couple runs. IMHO you'll need to use 4x4 more often then you used to when driving snowy roads. Fish tailin like crazy. 4x4 will help pull you through the corners. Pop one in and let it fly for a winter. If you can afford an ARB, do it. Select able are great, but 3 times the price
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