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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 03:17 PM
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This may be a dumb question (S/C related)

In looking at past posts about superchargers, it seems that most of the people with the pinging problems are at sea level. SLC is about 5,000 ft (i think) above sea level, and since the air is thinner up here, isn't there less of a chance that I will ping when I get my S/C installed? I mean it seems like an easy answer, less air= less chance of leaning out...

I am just trying to determine if/how bad my truck will ping...
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 03:28 PM
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I think that might be true. I know there is a lower level of octane required at elevation.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 04:21 PM
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Re: This may be a dumb question (S/C related)

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In looking at past posts about superchargers, it seems that most of the people with the pinging problems are at sea level. SLC is about 5,000 ft (i think) above sea level, and since the air is thinner up here, isn't there less of a chance that I will ping when I get my S/C installed? I mean it seems like an easy answer, less air= less chance of leaning out...

I am just trying to determine if/how bad my truck will ping...
BINGO! There has been a correlation shown between altitude and pinging. Higher altitude means thinner air, which means less actual boost, which means more fuel per oxygen atom, which means less pinging.
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 07:57 PM
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dumb question but, what is this "pinging" that you all are reffering to???
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 08:16 PM
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dumb question but, what is this "pinging" that you all are reffering to???
Not dumb in the least. Until someone points it out to, it's easy to not know what that term refers to.

When your tranny is in too high of a gear for the situation and you step on the gas, there is sometimes a "rattling" sound from the engine that sounds like marbles in a tin can. That is "pinging".

Take a manual tranny, shift from 3rd to 5th under light throttle, then step harder on the gas. That will almost always duplicate it.

Clatter - clatter - clatter - clatter

Fuel is supposed to burn in a nice, orderly fashion. When it detonates or explodes instead of burning, it causes a "ping". It actually causes physical damage to the combustion chamber. When an engine that has been pinging badly is taken apart, the inside of the cylinders and the underside of the head look like very tiny trolls have beat the tar out of them with ball-peen hammers.

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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 08:23 PM
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Tiny Trolls thats a good explanation funny
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 08:27 PM
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Tiny Trolls thats a good explanation funny
It was the best I could do on short notice hehehe

I am not sure what motivates those little buggers, but they sure do some serious damage when they get loose. When I tore the engine out of my Vette down, It looked like they had a war in there... I had to sleeve the cylinders to get enough material to work with. But alas, the Vette is gone and I hope to never see damage like that again
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Old Nov 4, 2002 | 10:31 PM
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Damn Trolls
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 01:49 AM
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The "pinging" you refer to is pre-detonation. The combustion mixture has hit its flash point prior to the spark plug igniting it. Lower octane fuels have lower flash points.

Note : Spark plug heat range can have a impact on this. To hot of a plug can glow at high RPM's causing pre-ignition.
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 05:25 AM
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NOTE TO SELF: Watch for trolls in my engine...


Thanks for your help guys. I guess I will try to run a stock setup with my s/c and then go from there.

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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 06:18 AM
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If you wanna keep those engine trolls at bay, put one of these in your engine bay

Make sure ya got a good flick running to keep 'em entertained, and they won't bother you anymore.
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 10:46 AM
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My Turbo motor had a nice amount of detonation but mainly to the head so bad it needs to be welded and resurfaced so if any one wants it let me know cheap. But the worst detonation I have ever seen in my life was when i pulled the head of my 2002 T-MAXX so bad the motor wont run anymore and i gotta get a new one I should post some pics its really bad.
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 12:13 PM
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WATRD. finally, someone explained that so i could understand it. thanks a lot!

whats the point of having a TV under your hood?
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by rowan
WATRD. finally, someone explained that so i could understand it. thanks a lot!


No problem

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whats the point of having a TV under your hood?
"Bling, bling!" ehhehehhe
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Old Nov 5, 2002 | 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by rowan
whats the point of having a TV under your hood?
Instructional videos for the shade tree mechanic
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