? about oem fogs,hellas,and wiring in prep for my TJM
10-09-2006, 06:38 AM
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? about oem fogs,hellas,and wiring in prep for my TJM
i have checked around and havent seen anyone use the stock fogs (ones on the outside of the lower bumper) with the tjm-17 WITHOUT cuting holes for them which is not an option for me.
has anyone integrated the stock fogs without cutting into the bumper? i really like when its raining at night, the stock fogs provide a great deal of light and would be missed! when the bumper gets here, i am going to try to figure something out but if not then....
also, i read a thread the other day that said that the hella 500's would over power the oem fog wires (heat) are they not the same wattage? would be nice to plug and go using the stock fog switch cause i suck at the electrical stuff when it comes to relays and such.
if i am to sell them, would $140 be a fair price?
and the stock turns, no clue on how $$ to ask for those!
ok, sorry for the long ramble, just trying to have things in order so when the bumper gets here, all will be done and just mount the bastard!!!
has anyone integrated the stock fogs without cutting into the bumper? i really like when its raining at night, the stock fogs provide a great deal of light and would be missed! when the bumper gets here, i am going to try to figure something out but if not then....
also, i read a thread the other day that said that the hella 500's would over power the oem fog wires (heat) are they not the same wattage? would be nice to plug and go using the stock fog switch cause i suck at the electrical stuff when it comes to relays and such.
if i am to sell them, would $140 be a fair price?
and the stock turns, no clue on how $$ to ask for those!
ok, sorry for the long ramble, just trying to have things in order so when the bumper gets here, all will be done and just mount the bastard!!!
10-09-2006, 06:54 AM
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well bob has a great write up on them and ill be using that. i am just uneasy cause i have made things worse in the past! ill do it i guess, just want to se what everyone else did with their stock lights.
10-09-2006, 06:59 AM
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The Hella 500's are a LOT more powerful than your stock fogs. The 500's are 55W as bought in box, and can be upgraded up to 100 or 130W, your factory fogs are probably around 30 W. Because of this, you won't be able to use your stock wiring for them.
That being said, wiring up a set of lights is pretty straight worward, and you shouldn't be afraid of having to install them.
That being said, wiring up a set of lights is pretty straight worward, and you shouldn't be afraid of having to install them.
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the hella 500's are 55W H3 bulbs. if you put 100W or greater bulbs (the next step up from 55W is 100W), then you will damage the housings and the glass will crack.
the stock OEM fogs use 55W H3 bulbs. they will do the same if you put a 100W+ bulb in them.
you can MOST CERTAINLY wire the Hella 500-series lights, or ANY OTHER 55W LIGHT to your stock fog light wiring harness and you will be fine. you will be more than "fine", you will be "factory". you will NOT harm your wiring by doing this.
i am currently running my 55W H3-bulbed IPF 924 fog lights directly on my factory fog light wiring harness/switch. i've done that for two years now with zero issues. the fogs are on 99.9% of the time that the key is in the ignition. i basically use them for DRL's.
if you change the bulbs to anything above 55W, then you run the risk of damaging not only the housings/lens of the lights, but also your wiring.
also, you won't be able to easily reuse the stock fogs in/with the TJM without cutting a hole in the bumper. you'd be much better off to sell the OEM fogs with the brackets attached, then sell the OEM bumper as a seperate package. use the money from the lights to get some Hella 500's if you want fogs. if you want driving lights, then i'd suggest IPF's. i love the output of 130W X2 of daytime on those back country roads.
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10-09-2006, 07:04 AM
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AWESOME, it made sence to me but in the other thread people swore against it so i questioned myself. everytime i try to wire something up for a relay, it never works!!
thanks bamachem for the info and clarification
thanks bamachem for the info and clarification
10-09-2006, 07:12 AM
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I'm sorry for posting incorrect information. 
That being said, I have 130W bulbs in my Hella 500's, no ill effects. Additionally, my friend is running 2 pairs of Hella 500's with 130W bulbs, also no problemas with the wiring provided in the kit.
That being said, I have 130W bulbs in my Hella 500's, no ill effects. Additionally, my friend is running 2 pairs of Hella 500's with 130W bulbs, also no problemas with the wiring provided in the kit.
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10-09-2006, 07:26 AM
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you will eventually. trust me... run them for a while to get them really hot, then go thru a snow or cold rain and the glass will crack.
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10-09-2006, 07:27 AM
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ive got IPF 968's. hookup was of course a snap and the kit came with harness, switch, 55w bulbs as well as 100watters. reasonably priced at just under 200 CDN...they work awesome and best bang for the buck. havent had the 100 watts in yet, as the 55's serve their purpose very well...
id either sell the bumper+fogs together, or keep them both, incase you want to go back to stock, so you wont have to hunt down oem fogs...
id either sell the bumper+fogs together, or keep them both, incase you want to go back to stock, so you wont have to hunt down oem fogs...
10-09-2006, 07:28 AM
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I'll be careful in very cold conditions.
10-09-2006, 07:29 AM
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i give up. it was an older post and i hate the search feature on this! so when someone try to find the same info, this post will hit first.
anyone have any intel on the stock fogs and the tjm. did you move them back, trash em?
anyone have any intel on the stock fogs and the tjm. did you move them back, trash em?
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10-09-2006, 07:32 AM
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ill prob just try to give it away but the otherside is just as bad! so i think all i can do is try to use the turns and fogs or sell them!
10-09-2006, 07:35 AM
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sell them. see my post above.
the IPF 968's are nice for sure... but for 55W output, the hellas are just as nice and less than half the price.
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the housings can't take the heat and neither can the glass. you will eventually trash your $70 lights by running the hotter bulbs. trust me.
the IPF 968's are nice for sure... but for 55W output, the hellas are just as nice and less than half the price.
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the housings can't take the heat and neither can the glass. you will eventually trash your $70 lights by running the hotter bulbs. trust me.
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and from my research...wiring harness was extra. i just like all in 1's that i dont need to source other bits to make it work. yes im lazy haha
10-09-2006, 08:02 AM
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:knockonwood:I did live in Tucson so obviously cold wasn't a concern, but even here in Los Alamos I have used them driving at night during some cold nights (about 10*F) without any problems... Perhaps the clear rock gurards change the flow characteristics over the glass, cooling them more slowly and preventing cracking
It wouldn't seem that the lights get too incredibly hot either, because the little rubber spacer in the middle of the clear rock guards hasn't melted (of course, it could be silicone good for 500*F or something).Oh well, if a lens goes you'll be the first to know (at least until I sell the car). I need an IR thermometer so I can take the temps of the housings with the different bulbs
10-09-2006, 08:11 AM
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good to see that you haven't had any issues. i had the clear guards on mine by the way and i feel like that's why they overheated. those were on the stock harness too, btw.
back to the topic at hand... for a 55W light, run them on the stock harness with no issues. for a 100W, you can probably get away with the stock harness, but you could develop issues later on. for 130W bulbs, you really need a HD harness on a relay for the power source. you can still use the stock harness to trigger the secondary HD relay if you want to keep things looking stock.
back to the topic at hand... for a 55W light, run them on the stock harness with no issues. for a 100W, you can probably get away with the stock harness, but you could develop issues later on. for 130W bulbs, you really need a HD harness on a relay for the power source. you can still use the stock harness to trigger the secondary HD relay if you want to keep things looking stock.
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