JonnyBoy's 1990 4Runner build
#141
Ha, probably should be too embarrassed to post pics of this, but this is why I'm having someone else do the welding on my sas
Here was my first attempts

Cleaned up a little

Well, went to move it, slipped out of my hands and fell. The welds broke. That won't do at all. Figured it was maybe because I didn't get the metal on the hanger clean enough, so I removed all the boogers and cleaned it up with fresh metal showing, and set the welder to the correct speed as well(faster).
This is that result


Looks better, right? Not good, but I obviously got penetration and it's more even.
Nope
This is what's being left on the hanger


But it's sticking to my 3/16" piece of angle iron I'm using for the spacer just fine


Anyone who's good at welding, feel free to chime in on what I'm doing wrong here.
It's a Miller 110v wire feed with gasless flux core wire. Different wire and use CO2 instead? Is the Sky hanger some alloy and maybe my piece I cut from the angle iron is just plain steel? I'm pretty welding retarded, so spell it out in Crayon for me if you have any advice.
Here was my first attempts

Cleaned up a little

Well, went to move it, slipped out of my hands and fell. The welds broke. That won't do at all. Figured it was maybe because I didn't get the metal on the hanger clean enough, so I removed all the boogers and cleaned it up with fresh metal showing, and set the welder to the correct speed as well(faster).
This is that result


Looks better, right? Not good, but I obviously got penetration and it's more even.
Nope
This is what's being left on the hanger


But it's sticking to my 3/16" piece of angle iron I'm using for the spacer just fine


Anyone who's good at welding, feel free to chime in on what I'm doing wrong here.
It's a Miller 110v wire feed with gasless flux core wire. Different wire and use CO2 instead? Is the Sky hanger some alloy and maybe my piece I cut from the angle iron is just plain steel? I'm pretty welding retarded, so spell it out in Crayon for me if you have any advice.
#142
Thanks guys, I know I just need practice, but never really had anyone tell me how to do it before. Just kinda grabbed the machine and went at it before. Gas is turned up higher than that, I'll correct it. Started looking around Miller's website and read up on the basics, too. I'm doing a lot of things wrong.
As far as supplies being cheaper, I'm sort of at the mercy of work. This is their welder, wire, gas, and even the scrap metal I'm using! So not a worry about cost to me.
Thanks again for the advice, and also thanks for the compliments.
As far as supplies being cheaper, I'm sort of at the mercy of work. This is their welder, wire, gas, and even the scrap metal I'm using! So not a worry about cost to me.
Thanks again for the advice, and also thanks for the compliments.
#144
Yeah, maybe. He's being pretty weird about it. I sent him the pics I sent you, and he said he didn't know how to pay me, but he never expressed agreement to the price. This has all been via text, too, so I guess I'm assuming it's a guy. Who knows?
#145
Tell him how to start a paypal, or tell him he can contact me and many others to vouch for ur skillsssss! Lol. I have 15k+ posts, I don't think I wud risk looking like a scumbag over a pair of hubs, lol.
#146
Decided since the front crossmember is compromised, and pretty thin metal anyway, I'd replace it. Hadn't really planned on doing anything this extensive with the rig, but it seems to have worked out pretty good for this guy
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f152...ow-sas-217479/
So my square tube will no longer be my sliders, I'll jump that hurdle when I get to it, but it looks like with these together the front of the frame will be stronger than stock

Lucky for me, we have a big chop saw at work. I'm more comfortable cutting and grinding metal anyway, I'll leave the important welding to my buddy. So here's the cuts to match the tube to the high clearance Sky hanger




And then I cut off that ridiculous chunk of metal booger welded to the top of the hanger. Who the Hell had that great idea, anyhow. Idiot.
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f152...ow-sas-217479/
So my square tube will no longer be my sliders, I'll jump that hurdle when I get to it, but it looks like with these together the front of the frame will be stronger than stock

Lucky for me, we have a big chop saw at work. I'm more comfortable cutting and grinding metal anyway, I'll leave the important welding to my buddy. So here's the cuts to match the tube to the high clearance Sky hanger




And then I cut off that ridiculous chunk of metal booger welded to the top of the hanger. Who the Hell had that great idea, anyhow. Idiot.
#149
I like the idea of reinforcing the hanger like that. Because most of your weld will be riding on that piece of flat stock. I cant wait to SAS my 88 runner. It is just finding the time with the new born and all. Keep after it, cant wait to see it sitting on all 4's with a solid front.
#150
Yeah, the original plan was to use that hanger because I'm not planning to lift it as much as the normal kits, but with the crossmember compromised, it just makes sense to replace it with the hanger. It should end up stronger than stock.
Even if I don't do that, I went ahead and used the rest of that piece of square tube to make a new crossmember and practiced my welding putting caps on the ends. I'd like to say my welds are getting better, but I'm probably just getting better at hiding my crappy welds by grinding them down after. I at least have gotten the weld to not be full of pinholes, and was able to make 2 passes on the cap pieces since the square tube is 1/4" wall.
Should be all the beef I'll ever need, since I haven't wheeled to the limits of the IFS. My level of wheeling will probably change mostly because the Runner is no longer my daily driver, but it could also depend on when I can budget in a locker for the front. I still have my v6 third from the rear, so I might get a setup kit and locker to learn how to set up gears. Always keep learning!
Even if I don't do that, I went ahead and used the rest of that piece of square tube to make a new crossmember and practiced my welding putting caps on the ends. I'd like to say my welds are getting better, but I'm probably just getting better at hiding my crappy welds by grinding them down after. I at least have gotten the weld to not be full of pinholes, and was able to make 2 passes on the cap pieces since the square tube is 1/4" wall.
Should be all the beef I'll ever need, since I haven't wheeled to the limits of the IFS. My level of wheeling will probably change mostly because the Runner is no longer my daily driver, but it could also depend on when I can budget in a locker for the front. I still have my v6 third from the rear, so I might get a setup kit and locker to learn how to set up gears. Always keep learning!
#153
Ah, you had to point out that I haven't gotten anything done, didn't you?!
Just kidding...not really, I haven't gotten anything done. Went ahead and got a TG flat pitman arm and some cheap Doetch Tech 12" shocks, so that about rounds out everything I may need, but I'm still working on someone else's schedule. Thinking I may just have to call up Fabrication Unlimited Squared(FU2) down in Ridgecrest and see if they can fit me in sometime this month, cause I absolutely have to have it done before I go up to Sac/Oregon.
Thanks for checking on me Stew!
Just kidding...not really, I haven't gotten anything done. Went ahead and got a TG flat pitman arm and some cheap Doetch Tech 12" shocks, so that about rounds out everything I may need, but I'm still working on someone else's schedule. Thinking I may just have to call up Fabrication Unlimited Squared(FU2) down in Ridgecrest and see if they can fit me in sometime this month, cause I absolutely have to have it done before I go up to Sac/Oregon.
Thanks for checking on me Stew!
#154
Well, talked to the fab shop in Ridgecrest. They said it's generally 8 hrs labor and worst case is about $800 for them to do it all with my parts. So I'm going to get more serious about learning proper welding.
This is my best so far completing the crossmember/hanger:
And my worst:
I figure if I mess this up, after I've already tried welding that filler to the top of it and all, I'm out the cost of another hanger and I have to cut another chunk of the square tube. Small potatoes compared to $800! All you welders that have been looking at my build, let me have it on the welds. Decent? Absolute crap? Shouldn't even be trusted for new age art?
Edit: Just decided to drive the ol Blue Betty(trademark ChefYota) to get some gas, haven't driven it for awhile, and this was under the wiper

Nice to know when people appreciate your work, ya know? I s'pose I should at least text him to tell him it's not for sale...or see if he'll give me enough for me to get an FJ80...hmmm.
This is my best so far completing the crossmember/hanger:

And my worst:

I figure if I mess this up, after I've already tried welding that filler to the top of it and all, I'm out the cost of another hanger and I have to cut another chunk of the square tube. Small potatoes compared to $800! All you welders that have been looking at my build, let me have it on the welds. Decent? Absolute crap? Shouldn't even be trusted for new age art?
Edit: Just decided to drive the ol Blue Betty(trademark ChefYota) to get some gas, haven't driven it for awhile, and this was under the wiper

Nice to know when people appreciate your work, ya know? I s'pose I should at least text him to tell him it's not for sale...or see if he'll give me enough for me to get an FJ80...hmmm.
Last edited by JonnyBoy; Feb 16, 2013 at 03:44 PM.
#156
I'm still deciding. Some of the welds were not so great still, and I don't know what else I'd be able to practice on except just pieces of scrap. Also, I'm still limited to having the 110v 135 amp Miller. At this point I have to make my trip to Sacramento and Oregon on the ifs, with no 4wd unless I bring the parts with me. None of it has sold yet cause there's nobody out here in the middle of nowhere that needs it. Anyway, that eliminates the time crunch I was under to get it done, so now I guess I can just drive my Forester(which I have lowering springs on the way!) and take care of the Runner when I start getting overtime again.
I have no idea what prices would be to rent a plasma cutter and a real 220v welder. I have found a lot of people who swear an sas can be done with 110, too. Anyway, now I have time to think about best option, be it whenever my buddy is able, the fab shop, or I just learn something new for once.
I have no idea what prices would be to rent a plasma cutter and a real 220v welder. I have found a lot of people who swear an sas can be done with 110, too. Anyway, now I have time to think about best option, be it whenever my buddy is able, the fab shop, or I just learn something new for once.
#157
Keep your eyes peeled for a used 220? Might score one cheap eventually.
I want to my own SAS. I just don't want to kill anyone. I might be good enough by then though. Its getting warmer here so I'll be setting up the garage and learning soon I hope.
I want to my own SAS. I just don't want to kill anyone. I might be good enough by then though. Its getting warmer here so I'll be setting up the garage and learning soon I hope.
#158
I think with how small the communities are around here, I'd be better off just getting a cheap Harbor Freight welder. A 170 amp 220 from them is $200 plus $7 shipping. I won't be welding too much, so I'd bet a cheap one would work for me.



You didn't hurt yourself with the welder, did you?