PS> if I put them all in backwards, I guess I have to pull the header and have a 'RE-DO' session, eh? lol ..... GRRRR!

OH, and you think REMFLEX is better than OEM? Thanks for the link, btw, ...just saw that.

 

I've told ya'all about my order for OME's, right? Well, I'm still waiting, and now I've read this, I'm not sure what to think......

http://www.insiderpages.com/b/372273...ers-heber-city

I AM NOT saying "Rocky Road Outfitters Stinks!".... no way, I know how that can hurt a business unfairly. However, ...... I will call them and see what I find in regards to Customer Service and Shipping time. I'll post back.

I tried to do research on where I can get OME shocks and stabilizers, otherwise, ...but I couldn't seem to get an answer from those other sites as to which ones would fit my 4runner.... and I KNOW there are differences in some models(plus, those other sites weren't considering 2" of lift, etc.....so it just seemed fruitless from companies other than RRoad.

Oh well, maybe I WONT be doing my IFS restore as soon as I'd like, ...or maybe I will, lol... MAYBE those reviews are biased and all wrong as well... GEESH, I hope so, lol .

 

Welp, .... I called, did get an answer, but I'm told they were on back order, ...... 3 weeks out, still. Glad I called, eh? I really try to do the best research possible, but I guess I didn't dig deep enough on this one.

ANYONE, can you tell me where ELSE I might be able to get these, that I might cancel my order and re-order somewhere else? I really don't wanna wait into FEBRUARY to get started on this! lol.

I want OME shocks for an 87 4Runner, 2" lift w/BJ spacers. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and would gladly name a Pastry in your name! hahaha.

 

Stubbs is a great guy..met the guy a couple of months ago, his 4runner build in person is pretty dang cool

and Chef: fingers are crossed you get your Rocky Road issue worked out...I have been fortunate that the majority of the vendors I have dealt with the last few years have been stand up

 

I like the idea that with the remflex gasket you torque down the nuts down to only 12-16lbs.

I have in my garage waiting a Downey header, LCE studs and nuts, Helicoil kit
and remflex gasket on order.

now I am wondering if I want to get timecerts... instead of Helicoil...

 

Hey Robb, thanks for stopping in. Appreciate it. Honestly? .... as I said, I'm not sure what's going on. I might be a very mellow guy(that's what people say, lol... I know, strange for a Chef, lol). ... But actually, I'm a fairly high strung guy, with a lot on his plate, that gets REALLY UPSET when I'm jerked around. I will NOT stand for it, not one bit, especially with money as hard to come by as it is and, well, also now seeing that I have not only 2 girls, but a grandson to boot! Not to mention.... TIME, Robb, is VERY precious to me. I know, to most, but I can only "EXCLAIM", personally, lol. I'll get it worked out, one way or another. But, I'm sorry, letting me order them, without telling me they're 5 WEEKS, backordered, from the get go? That's not right, Robb. No email, nothing? Had I not called, I REALLY doubt, honestly, that I would have heard a thing. THAT'S NOT a good way, as many complain of them, "to do business". In fact, it's down right silly! lol. Again, I CAN'T, obviously, verify every complaint on line, .... but now that I'm getting "THAT FEELING", I can at least say, by evidence as well, ...."Buyer be cautious of time line, at least". Right?

Ooooh, didn't know that.(12-16# portion) Have to research it more, SOON! Thanks, Outsane! They sound like a good deal/idea.

 

I didn't do anything, today, except find out my OME's are 3 weeks back ordered from Rocky Road Outfitters......YEAH, might have to rethink that one, not sure yet.

Also ordered my Remflex Exhaust Gasket for my header/head restud (THANKS, OUTSANE! Hope they're as good as they sound, lol)... and a stud and nut kit from LCE>17$ w/shipping and no tax... not bad, right? The gasket was a bit more, but I like the idea of not having to torque to 33lbs and I've heard many good things. Plus, it's ALREADY READY TO SHIP,....from BOTH places, tomorrow, ....... dang I wish more were like that, lol.

 

I seemed to have the same problem when shocks were ordered for my first runner . I believe the lift is the reason . I had to wait 4 weeks to take it on its first test drive because we had no shocks, backordered.

 

sorry for you troubles Mark.(by the way thanks for the b-day wishes for Joe)

let me know about the studs from LCE......i have them in my "shopping cart" (12 studs...no nuts) @ Toyotapartszone and Toyotapartseast for about $15 just for the 12 studs. I forgot about LCE for those. with the new Doug Thorley headers I certainly don't want to cut corners and have a potential problem breaking old studs.


EDIT:....booooooooo........having trouble sending the an email from their site....won't accept the security code(s), no matter what way I type it.....so I sent an email from my regular email account.

 

I had ordered those studs from LCE for mine. Good quality, good fitment (assuming you put them in right ) I don't know if they are the same ones as on a vz though. Mine came pretty quick along with the oil galley plugs for the block. I should have ordered the Intake manifold plugs and block plates too for when I finally get around to removing the rest of the unused emissions crap from the Weber install.

 

I ordered my gasket yesterday and had a tracking number from UPS the same day!

go Remflex..

 

reply from LCE says these are the same for the 3vze (as well as same amount...12 of them)

http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGe...5-BF473FB23561

 

yup those are the ones and come to think of it, I was thinking of my old stainless steel exhaust studs that only went in one way, the LCE ones I think are threaded the same way on both sides, making it impossible to put in "backwards".

 

Hmmmm, I'm wondering, now, because;

I wrote Jim, the prez of ARB-USA, .....I ALMOST IMMEDIATELY got a personal response, saying, "so sorry for your problems with Rocky Road Outfitters, can you reply telling me which part numbers we're talking about here?" I sent the part numbers and the order number. I really don't wanna have to fight for my money back, because THEY ARE reasonable in price, etc. However, I think, since they've not shipped, even from Australiaaaaaaa, according to Rocky Road Outfitters,...so I can't see why PayPal would give me a problem. BIG mistake, using pay pal... Safer? YES..... Harder to get money back? YES, lol. Oh well. We'll see what Jim of ARB says, eh? Mike, I've heard of people waiting 3 MONTHS for RROutfitters to get stuff to them.....and NO 'SORRY SIR, REALLY SORRY' in the meantime. In fact, they 'allegedly' stopped answering the phone, or would put people on hold, never coming back, etc., etc. As I said, we'll see. Thanks for the input, Mike.

MY PLEASURE on the Bday wishes.... I admire him, and you as a Pops! lol. Can't wait for him to drive that thing, all legal, him and the road! WOOT! lol.

Far as the studs, I HAVE THEM, right now....they're great. Only thing, as far as what XXX said, they are NOT the same on both sides of the center slot. One side is longer than the other, ...I think you can see it in the picture on LCE page.

They, LCE, are pricey, yes....ON SOME THINGS. But, they have GREAT customer service and REALLY DO have great products. I LOVE my header, and it's not even discolored, at all, after 5000 miles. Everything I've ordered from them bolted RIGHT ON, first time, and some of their designs are just, plain and simple, much more STURDY AND COMMON SENSE in their construction and application.

WOOT, WOOT! lol. Same here. Already got a Notice in my Email this morning. 'SHIPPED'. Good guarantee, too, ya know?

Hmmm, good to hear, and I think you'll be glad you got them for the header. JUST REMEMBER, as you can read under the studs description.... "They are smooth in the more middle section where the header rests, unlike the stockies, which have a ridge".... Only problem with that, as I see it, is that the nut doesn't stop against that center portion with the LCE ones. I guess they had problems with some of the headers from other manuf. not fitting over that knob?

I don't think so. They have more thread on one side than the other. Yes, the thread pitch, etc., is the same...but the amount of usable thread is more on one side than the other.
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I'm speaking with Jim of ARB-USA, guys, and I'll let you know asap what I find out what he can do, if anything, to expedite my order. I really don't want to wait for 5 weeks for shocks.... I guess I have to, if they are in fact that far backordered at OME(?????). Letcha all know, asap.

 

OK, here we go............

I, again, almost IMMEDIATELY got a response from Jim, the president of ARB-USA, whom told me, "We have both of those in stock, right now, and you can ask Rocky Road to ship directly through us, or cancel your order and get them elsewhere, possibly?" ......... So, I immediately called Rocky Road Outfitters, and the man who answered the phone explained to me the process in which it can take a bit longer to get things. He said, basically, that they order every week or so, from ARB, etc..... When they place that order for me, it might be a week later from when I placed mine with them, so, they have to wait for ARB to ship to them, then they re-ship them to me. Thus, 3 weeks out, give or take, was his estimate. He then said he would speak with his shipping manager, when she returns to the office in an hour and see what or how she would want to go about it, as he understands that I kind of need these shocks and such a bit sooner than another month. He also said there might be a shipping bump, which I'll find out later as to what that means. I really don't understand why it would cost me MORE to have something shipped directly from ARB rather than having it shipped to RRO, then on to me.... Anyone know why that would be? Honest, I'm not being a smarty pants, lol... Just curious. Hopefully, RRO will not tell me "NOPE< SORRY", lol... and I will have them shipped, today or tomorrow from ARB. Also, hopefully, ....I will not be charged some ridiculous fee. I understand 're-shipping' and the reasons that ARB deals with RRO, etc. RRO sells it's own products as well, and uses some OME and otherwise ARB distributed products in their lifts, etc. I'm only guessing that possibly RRO's storage capacity isn't nearly as vast as ARB's and, well, so they ship after they order it and it's shipped to them.

As far as the SEEMINGLY COUNTLESS complaints, otherwise, pertaining to their Customer Service... As I've said, all along... I'm NOT suggesting ANYTHING, such as, "IT MUST AT LEAST BE HALF TRUE!", etc. However, as I have said, ......if you're in a hurry, maybe research a lil, or send Jim at ARB an email, asking "WHERE from can I get these shocks, asap, shipped to me?"

It seems that there are some quirks with Bil's, like (what friggen size or part number will work with the 2" lift????")...which they never seem to give a clear answer for. Then, OME lists the part numbers, at least on RRO, as OME60072 for the 86-95 4wd and OMESD33 on the steering damper, ...but when you try to google it, you always seem to end up at ARB or Rocky Road, ....can't seem to find many others who offer OME. I wish ALL products would come up on something like Nextag or something like that, where it lists every purveyor that carries said item and for how much in comparison, etc.

I'm always leery of slamming someone's business, right out, as I've seen what happened to Jim, the owner of Downey, ....and I KNOW, from personal experience, they did everything they could to make sure I was happy. They also put a great product out. And yet, through sites like Pirate, etc., he basically became obsolete or involved in non-stop complaints battles, even law suits, which he apparently won, most every time. You know, where they'd sell a kit for an FJ, then downey would tell the customer, "YOU CAN NOT drive this on washboard or worse at 80mph, ....it's not meant for jumping, either, ...the trucks just can't handle that". Well, a customer then tried to sue, saying, "I Just hit a dip and this brace broke!".... They investigated and found that very guy in a youtube video, getting 4' air on some empty lot of dirt and berms. But that guy had already caused a firestorm of "DOWNEY'S STUFF IS CRAP, TOTALLY WEAK AND CAN'T HANDLE THE TRAILS!", ...if you know what I mean.

Anyway, I'll keep you all updated, in case it might help someone in the future.

L8r t8rs,

Mark

 

wow....and I read it all too....LOL

I have to check this rocky road place out. i do understand what you posted about getting stuff from ARB to RR and so on.....makes sense

 

I feel like an arse recommending them with all of the OME leaf threads. One thing I did see though the 87 pickup and 4runner springs are the same the but price on that site is different. they guy on the phone confirmed they are the same and could not answer why the difference in price between the pickup and 4runner springs.

 

They may wait a week to save money on a larger shipping order some how..

Maybe they get a price cut if they order from ARB 10k's worth of stuff instead of just a few hundred $ worth of stuff, depends on pricing structure.

May just be how the company works, and the shipment load guys only come in a couple of days a week..

Maybe they just suck

 

Hey guys, ....... Please don't think I'm just rambling for the heck of it... I PROMISE I'm only trying to help out others that might be making some impulse or maybe "don't know where else to go for them" type purchases, like I'm sure some of you have dealt with. Just want to hopefully cause some critical and literal thinking as to the HUNDREDS OF DOLLAR purchases that some of us make. This one, for me, being 300$~! lol.

Also, I hope I've been clear that I, personally, am not trying to make Rocky Road Outfitters look like a 'bad business'. I don't necessarily agree with their chosen methods of shipping when convenient to profits, but I do understand why they might do so in order to, well, STAY IN BUSINESS? lol, ...if, indeed, that is the case.

I can't in any way suggest that you should stop recommending those particular parts, Brandon... and as I said, "Please, research on your own and go from there", which I know you're most often very good at doing so. lol. It's just that, well, when I started reading countless complaints and mentioning left and right of the BBB, etc.,.... I got concerned. I also can't say that MANY of those complaints are not legit, as I've been put down for bad mouthing my machinists practices, even though I WAS RIGHT, ...and, also, I NEVER mentioned their name, even though it's a well known, formerly HIGHLY respected guy/shop. ALLLLLLLLLLLLl that said, hahaha,..... I'll just leave it at that, ...."Do LOTS of research and decide for yourself", sound good? lol

LCE shipped my studs withing 5 minutes of business opening hours, today. Remflex did as well.

And then, ARB suggested I called Rocky Road back, asking if they'd possibly forward/bump the shipment to ARB, as they(ARB) had it in stock. I did so, spoke to a guy at Rocky Road, and within an hour, he had forwarded the shipment back to ARB, +10$ fee for their paperwork and shipping bump fee.(I'm not sure, but it sounded legitimate, and I do understand that they probably spent at least an hour trying to help me out.....plus forward the billing info, etc., etc., to ARB )...thus, it's well worth 10$ more for me to have these shocks by Monday!(could be mid next week, who cares, ... at least it's not 5 weeks total, right? lol).

Therefore, I have to say that Rocky Road Outfitters did not break any of their promises, and furthermore, they helped resolve my issue within hours of my asking for an alternate resolution. Just keep in mind when ordering from them, .....it's a good idea to Call and then get an 'ACTUAL' or at least 'within a day or two' approximate prospective shipping date on what you're looking for(as THEY DO SUGGEST in their small print within the sales receipt email verification.)..... it's a good idea, as I mentioned, IF, in fact, you're going to need these items asap.

I'm not sure, but I don't think ARB is looking to sell a pair of shocks here and there. They're mostly a supplier, from what I can see. However, if you need a locker or bumper? Yeah, lol. OME, I can only guess, is NOT made, literally, by OME. But they are the primary authorized dealer of OME products.

WOW, confusing, eh? lol. This is why I went private with my profession. I went from 100-1200 covers a day, inventory, hiring and firing, demographic studies for menu design and target items, blah blah blah, lol.... Now..... to 8-20 covers a day, MAX! lol. I go to the store, pick out the BEST I can find of whatever I need.... come home, cook it, they eat it, I do the dishes, ...DONE! lol.

I've dealt with some FANTASTIC companies when building my rig, thus far... and I think the PRIMARY factoid that REALLY turns me on, .......in a purely non-sexual way, lol.... is the fact that they ALL shipped quickly, accurately, and when anything went even mildly wrong, they were ON IT like a blanket! They seemed as upset as I, when ANYTHING didn't go according to my plans. THAT, to me, is the price a business must pay, today, especially in the US, with so FEW options left for "made in the USA" or 'US Based Company', and ESPECIALLYYYYYY WITH MONEY SO HARD TO COME BY, at this time. I think it's SO IMPORTANT, however unimportant to the final outcome it might be for me, for the person on the other line to be friendly, courteous and ULTIMATELY, "GET ME WHAT I WANT, ASAP, or point me to someone who will". That's why I LOVE dealing with Tod and Ted, at Engnbldr.com..... ROCKING service, knowledgeable staff..... just an A+ experience for me, thus far.

Feel free to share any experiences you have on here, especially since I will be getting some more lighting done(led interiors, MAYBE), Alarm, Audio and Video system and possibly even a leaf pack, eventually.

Have a good one, guys.... just wanted you to know that I got it resolved, quickly, and I really can't personally complain about Rocky Road Outfitters.

Mark

 

Hopefully, I'll be heading out to get my Japanese, Quality Bushings for my LCA's tomorrow, in Santa Monica. YEAH, THAT MEANS LARE'S RESTAURANT, TOO! lol. OOH, and Izzy's Deli for some of the best Brown Eyed Susans I've EVER had the pleasure to eat..... and have been eating from the same place, same recipe, for 35 YEARS!!!!!!!

The Exhaust studs and nuts from LCE should be here tomorrow, as should the Remflex Header Gasket... so I'll get on that probably Friday! WOOT! LOL. Funny thing, though.... as I've driven around, couple more days... THE FRIGGEN EXHAUST LEAK HAS ALMOST GONE AWAY! lol. WTH? I know, I don't wanna drive around with a loose stud, etc. Wanna re-do it right, asap.

February 1st, I'll be calling the Private Alarm installer I met who will give me a great deal cuz I had to wait while he healed a lil more from Back surgery, hahaha. I told him not to worry, but he insisted. He's doing my ignition kill for free! WOOT! MAN I'm gonna feel better having a good alarm with ignition kill, door lock buttons, remote start, etc.

Then, hopefully, before the month is out,......it's IFS RESTORE TIME! yay! hahaha.