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Old Jun 11, 2017 | 01:46 AM
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2000 Tacoma 3.4 5 speed 200,000 plus miles

Clutch safety eliminated .

The truck might have been sitting 2 to 4 days

First time for any problems of this nature

Battery voltage @ 12.5 VDC

Turn key to start Click just one

try again click

Cycle completely to off try again starts just fine voltage goes to @14 VDC

No more issues since so being unable to duplicate the issue If it won`t happen you can`t trouble shoot the problem
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Old Jun 11, 2017 | 07:16 AM
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Sounds kinda like the no starter relay thing on older trucks. Maybe the switch going or a ground issue. Intermittent sucks.
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Old Jun 11, 2017 | 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by wyoming9
2000 Tacoma 3.4 5 speed 200,000 plus miles
...The truck might have been sitting 2 to 4 days...
Battery voltage @ 12.5 VDC
Turn key to start Click just one
...voltage goes to @14 VDC
Sounds just like a weak battery. 12.5 without load does not mean it holds the voltage with load.

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Sounds kinda like the no starter relay thing on older trucks.
I doubt it but who knows, maybe a new Toyota engineer who forgot the lessons of the past. Let's see schematic.
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Old Jun 11, 2017 | 09:25 AM
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Sounds just like a weak battery. 12.5 without load does not mean it holds the voltage with load.


I doubt it but who knows, maybe a new Toyota engineer who forgot the lessons of the past. Let's see schematic.
I just gonna leave the electrical stuff to you
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Old Jun 11, 2017 | 11:45 AM
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Well the battery is getting up there in age it must be all of 9 months in age .

It can`t hurt to get a new one they are not all that expensive !!

Threw the tester on it gives me the green light under load but 9 months is pretty long for one of my batteries I am happy to get 12 months

Besides the battery people will wonder where I have been .

Might be a good time to get the parts and rebuild the cranky thing as well

FYI it does have a starter relay in the fuse block in the engine compartment not sure I could have heard that

Quite possible I heard the COR pull in which is in the cab on the left side .
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Old Jun 17, 2017 | 03:05 AM
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I have all the New things Battery

Spare starter with All new from Toyota innards plus new brushes

Got a New Starter Relay as well For @ 50.00 I thought it was a good investment

I thought about getting a complete new starter solenoid but the one I installed the new contacts and plunger looked in decent shape.

Now despite harder then normal starter use Not one failure to crank.

I hate to change things that still are working
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 12:57 PM
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6/28 has not so much as blinked .

Maybe over the Weekend I should just swap out all the cranking system parts .

I would think a Battery should last longer then 10 months
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 01:21 PM
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Loan it out to somebody. It'll quit again.
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by millball
Loan it out to somebody. It'll quit again.
Yes, let me drive it a couple of months, Wyoming. That would also give me time to inspect/check cranking system.

BTW, have you got schematic for that model?
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 02:24 PM
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Yes of course I do I have the EWD`s for all the Toyota`s I own

First thing I was looking at just what all could not work .

I don`t think I have a Glove compartment light I very seldom open it .

Last time I let someone drive it just a few miles I was putting in a clutch

It might be a Tad far to Come to pick it up

Then I can break that 50,000 mile engine in
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Old Jun 28, 2017 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by wyoming9
Yes of course I do I have the EWD`s for all the Toyota`s I own
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Then I can break that 50,000 mile engine in
LOL!
Pls cranking system schematic so we can check? You never know. 1989 and earlier were screwed up. Then 1991 was worse. Don't know about your model-year.

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Old Jun 29, 2017 | 01:25 AM
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Pretty simple circuit .

The coil for the starter relay is energized by the ignition switch through the 7.5 amp starter fuse

The clutch safety switch or neutral safety switch depending on your type of gear box

Might have been a loose fuse in the block

My splice of the clutch safety switch may have come loose after 90,000 miles

The contacts of the starter relay are powered direct from the battery through assorted circuit protection then to the starter solenoid

Quite possible the starter solenoid contacts need some tender loving care the starter has not had attention since the clutch was replaced about 80,000 miles ago

I am brutal on the starting and charging system so I can`t complain
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Old Jun 29, 2017 | 07:15 AM
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[QUOTE=wyoming9;52369956]...The coil for the starter relay is energized by the ignition switch through the 7.5 amp starter fuse
The contacts of the starter relay are powered direct from the battery through assorted circuit protection then to the starter solenoid
.../QUOTE]

Cool.
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Old Jun 29, 2017 | 09:00 PM
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Odd, very odd.
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Old Jun 30, 2017 | 11:10 AM
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Why do you say that ?? Explain what you mean.
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Old Jul 9, 2017 | 11:50 AM
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Not sure if this is just typical Toyota or just how my luck goes .

My extra starter happened to be a 1.8KW starter that just happens to be a few inches longer

Maybe if I took the time to loosen the Engine Mount I might be able to get it in .

Upon taking the old solenoid out It was interesting it even cranked at all one contact was just about gone the plunger was so pitted

So I just ordered a Rebuilt starter from Toyota
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Old Jul 15, 2017 | 08:04 AM
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Rebuilt Denso Starter from TOYOTA !!

New East Penn Manufacturing AGM battery the same I bought for the 4Runner a few years back

New Battery Terminals all the lugs nice and shiny !!

New bolt for the battery Hold down

I turned the key it even started sometimes I surprise even myself .
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