View Poll Results: Would you buy a diesel 4runner or truck?
Yes



639
91.03%
No



63
8.97%
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Would you buy a diesel?
#284
I have been secretly wanting a diesel Toyota for a while now. Diesel engines have come a really long way in the last ten years. More reliable, more fuel efficient, more long term cost efficient (even with the higher parts cost for some things). You don't have to wait to crank if you have a block heater. I would very definitely have a diesel.
For all you loss of power complainers, two words, Propane Injection. Vroom Vroom!!!!!!!
For all you loss of power complainers, two words, Propane Injection. Vroom Vroom!!!!!!!
#286
A few replies back someone mentioned cheaper fuel? Right now Diesel is quite a bit more than reg fuel. And even with Biodeisel now on to the market, it's still more exspensive than reg diesel. Right know there's a couple stations in the Seattle area selling Bio and it's well over $3.00 a gallon. I dont ever think it'll be cheaper. Supply and demand. You really don't get that much better milage out of it either. Well, as far as the big trucks go. Ford was mentioned. Mine was getting about the same mileage as my neighbors Powerstroke. The benifit, was towing with the turbo. That was it.
#287
The reason why toyota diesels are quiet are because they make no where near the power of a domestic truck diesel. Ford, GM, and Dodge dont make the diesels that are in their trucks. Ive also seen guys get 24 mpg in a Ford 4 door 3/4 ton truck. I work at fedex and my 27 foot long truck gets about 13 combined and thats with stop and go traffic and a weight of about 15000 pounds.
#288
A few replies back someone mentioned cheaper fuel? Right now Diesel is quite a bit more than reg fuel. And even with Biodeisel now on to the market, it's still more exspensive than reg diesel. Right know there's a couple stations in the Seattle area selling Bio and it's well over $3.00 a gallon. I dont ever think it'll be cheaper. Supply and demand. You really don't get that much better milage out of it either. Well, as far as the big trucks go. Ford was mentioned. Mine was getting about the same mileage as my neighbors Powerstroke. The benifit, was towing with the turbo. That was it.
The 5.9L Cummins TD (2001 model) produced 245 horsepower and 505 ft. lbs. torque. We've towed a tractor from our farm to town (100 miles doing 70-75) and still averaged 17mpg. On long highway trips, we averaged near 21 miles per gallon. No, it isn't stellar, but for its job, it suffices.
If/when Toyota produces another diesel, it'll probably be for economy (probably >3 liters displacement).
They're going to have to build an even bigger truck than the Tundra to compete with full-size trucks here now. A 5.7L V8 is a step in the right direction for the market.
(Far as I can tell, the new Tundra is competing with the F-150 and Nissan Titan, not 3/4 ton plus size trucks).
Last edited by 91_4x4runner; Feb 15, 2007 at 06:42 PM.
#289
I had my fling with diesels... naw
back when diesel was .19/gal and gas was .25/gal it made sense, but now, its 2.60/gal and gas is 2.00/gal does not make sense; higher prices for repairs and maint, cost of fuel, lower power, more noise, dirt, mpg improvement is not enough. my two cents
back when diesel was .19/gal and gas was .25/gal it made sense, but now, its 2.60/gal and gas is 2.00/gal does not make sense; higher prices for repairs and maint, cost of fuel, lower power, more noise, dirt, mpg improvement is not enough. my two cents
#292
Yes in a heart beat.
Why? MPG, Torque, Total mileage between overhaul gasser vs. diesel. 2 less pistons/cylinders, 8 less valves, etc.etc.
Plus let it idle in the driveway in summer months, keep the pesky Mosquitos away.
Why? MPG, Torque, Total mileage between overhaul gasser vs. diesel. 2 less pistons/cylinders, 8 less valves, etc.etc.
Plus let it idle in the driveway in summer months, keep the pesky Mosquitos away.
Last edited by Ringmaster; Feb 15, 2007 at 07:16 PM.
#293
I'm a no voter because where I'm at diesel is quite a bit more per gallon, and they're worse for the atmosphere not to mention harder to start this time of year. I'll hold out for electric thank you.
#294
I had my fling with diesels... naw
back when diesel was .19/gal and gas was .25/gal it made sense, but now, its 2.60/gal and gas is 2.00/gal does not make sense; higher prices for repairs and maint, cost of fuel, lower power, more noise, dirt, mpg improvement is not enough. my two cents
back when diesel was .19/gal and gas was .25/gal it made sense, but now, its 2.60/gal and gas is 2.00/gal does not make sense; higher prices for repairs and maint, cost of fuel, lower power, more noise, dirt, mpg improvement is not enough. my two cents
Have you actually sat and driven any of the big 3's diesels lately? You wont find one that will make less than 570ftlbs of tq! ALL diesels for 2007 will be OVER 650ftlbs and 350hp!
Hell our 2006 6.0 powerstroke makes 325hp/570tq bone stock. That is sure as hell more powerful than their V10. Add a 4" straight exhaust, SCT extreme tune, and an AFE stage II intake, a 4x4 launch at the stock 27psi boost and you have a 3/4ton diesel truck tipping the scales at 7500lbs, that will pull high 13s in the 1/4 mile and stomp your mustang like the ricer it is! (btw ive done several 4x4 launches in our stock 6.0 - it, and any diesels like it, will rape ANYTHING out of the hole, 500ftlbs to the four tires at the launch with 100% traction has a way of launching pennies from the dash into your chest quite painfully..)
"more dirt?"
I think not. Just because you can see a little unburnt fuel from a diesel when they take off does NOT mean that it is more pollutant to the environment. Spark plug ingnited engines do not burn nearly as efficiently and will release 2x the amount of carbon monoxide that a diesel will. If you want to save the environment, buy a diesel!
"minimal mpg improvement"
Since diesels are meant to have LOTS of power we should compare them to their equivalents in the gas world. Lets compare the 6.6L duramax LBZ to the GM 8.1L. They both produce approximately 325-350hp. Unloaded the duramax will get around 19-25 pending loadout, gearing and speed driven. The 8.1, you will be LUCKY to get 12mpg under ANY conditions! Hook up to a 13,000lb gooseneck and the milage difference is exacerbated! 6.6 diesel is going to get about 10-17 pending drive speed load out and gearing. The 8.1? About 6mpg.
If you need power, the diesel is the most cost effective way to get it period.
Last edited by Bumpin' Yota; Feb 15, 2007 at 09:58 PM.
#297
Electric is still 10+ years from being competitive in the market. They take too long to charge, battery technology is still limited, which in turn limits the range to about a third or less of a typical gasoline or diesel powered vehicle.
I would have a Toyota diesel, but on the condition that I imported one with a manual transmission, and not brand new. The newest I'd go would be about 5-8 years old.
Holy crap, this thread is 7 years old!!!
I would have a Toyota diesel, but on the condition that I imported one with a manual transmission, and not brand new. The newest I'd go would be about 5-8 years old.
Holy crap, this thread is 7 years old!!!
#298
Diesel owner
I have a 90 Dodge 1 ton with Cummins 5.9 12V. Can get 22mpg on highway. Oh so much torque. In the summer time I can burn Biodiesel,waste crankcase oil(clean and filtered) or mix of veggie oil.
!985 BJ70 nonturbo Hwy mileage not much better than Dodge, but it sure is cute.
2001 Golf TDI Best mileage 54MPG. Winter time usually 45 overall. I just burn #2 because it is computerized.
I have a few other vehicles with the IHC DT 466. It would be fun to have one in a conversion, but they probably weigh almost as much as the LC or Golf. They seem to be easy on fuel,and are long lived like the 3B or Mack Econodyne.
!985 BJ70 nonturbo Hwy mileage not much better than Dodge, but it sure is cute.
2001 Golf TDI Best mileage 54MPG. Winter time usually 45 overall. I just burn #2 because it is computerized.
I have a few other vehicles with the IHC DT 466. It would be fun to have one in a conversion, but they probably weigh almost as much as the LC or Golf. They seem to be easy on fuel,and are long lived like the 3B or Mack Econodyne.
#300
Heck yeah I would have gotten one.
More power, higher MPGs, cheaper fuel, no spark plugs or distributor to mess with are a few reasons off the top of my head. I'd be first in line to open up the exhaust and make it louder if it would gain performance. With the money saved on fuel i'd get a louder stereo to drown out the noise.
If all the pieces fell into place right now i'd ride my motorcycle to South America, buy an early 90s double cab, straight front axle, turbo diesel truck; load up the bike and drive it back home.
More power, higher MPGs, cheaper fuel, no spark plugs or distributor to mess with are a few reasons off the top of my head. I'd be first in line to open up the exhaust and make it louder if it would gain performance. With the money saved on fuel i'd get a louder stereo to drown out the noise.
If all the pieces fell into place right now i'd ride my motorcycle to South America, buy an early 90s double cab, straight front axle, turbo diesel truck; load up the bike and drive it back home.



