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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:27 PM
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Tall oil filter .vs. Small oil filter

Just wondering if anyone has ever done this. I posted two pics here, one of the standard recommended oil filter for my Toyota 5VZ-FE motor.

Back in the late 80's my friends and I all had little street-legal turbo 4-bangers we modified and raced(SCCA Solo 1). One thing we did was use the longer version of the factory oil filter since it allowed us to ad an extra 1/2 quart of oil. We figured more oil, more surface area on the taller filter, better engine oil cooling. I have no idea if it really worked but it seemed cool and did not seem to change the oil pressure.

So I'm wondering if the taller version of my motor's oil filter would work the same way without affecting oil pressure.

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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:30 PM
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id say go with taller....
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:32 PM
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sounds like a good Idea , should be ok .
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:48 PM
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Won't hurt, but probably not necessary.
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 09:53 PM
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a remote cooler and coils would work as well
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Old Aug 27, 2009 | 11:21 PM
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I run the toyota v8 filter in my truck.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 12:11 AM
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I have been running the taller filters on my 22rec engines for years .

It makes it easier for my short arms to reach.

i have also quit using Fram Filters but that is your own choice There are enough stories out there to make up your own mind
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 05:41 AM
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I bought the tough guard. Its the shorter version but it works wonders. Its for offroading and towing.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:00 AM
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Mobil One makes THE BEST oil filter.
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:16 AM
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i use a wix or napa gold (wix makes them )
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Old Aug 28, 2009 | 06:47 AM
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i use a wix or napa gold (wix makes them )
X2 here. I've been using them for years and never had an issue.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt16
Won't hurt, but probably not necessary.
I realize it is not necessary but do you not think that increasing the surface area of the filter(via larger filter) PLUS the extra oil capacity will cool the oil temp down? Even if it's just a little the benefit seems like it's worth it.

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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
a remote cooler and coils would work as well
I realize there are some more expensive alternatives but my goal is to go with a cheap and easy one and the oil filter swap seemed like the best solution.

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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay351
I run the toyota v8 filter in my truck.

Jay, which manufacturer's filter do you use and which model?
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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It couldn't hurt, but it would certainly help if you have short arms
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 8lugnuts
Jay, which manufacturer's filter do you use and which model?
"I run the toyota v8 filter in my truck."

The V8 filter from Toyota. Its for the 4.0Ls I think.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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The length of time oil spends in a filter 1" longer than "stock" is not likely to increase cooling much if at all. The oil filter is in a mostly protected area out of any 'cool' air flow (and is even more protected if you have a/c), unless you think air coming off the radiator is cool. Even the oil pan radiates more heat to the atmosphere than the oil filter does simply because the pan has a greater exposed surface area than the filter does and oil has a longer period of contact with the pan than it does with the filter.

You should be more concerned about the quality of your oil and filter than with how much heat is radiated by the filter.
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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I can't find it now, but I remember reading an in-depth analysis of a bunch of different filters, and it found that the FRAM and its relatives (PUROLATOR was one of them, I think) use a very cheap combination pressure bypass/anti-drainback valve that often leaks, allowing oil to flow out of the filter and therefore there is a delay in oil getting circulated while the pump refills the filter. Also on some of the FRAMs they cut open there were gaps where the filter paper wasn't glued fully on one end and oil could just flow right past.

Toyota filters are great, I've always negotiated great prices at the dealer when I buy a case at a time (12 filters, I think). I have heard many good things about the Wix/NAPA Gold filter. Mobil 1 filters are way overpriced. I've heard AMSOIL filters are the best on the planet. True?
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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:00 PM
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Toyota uses like 3 different size of oil filters. The 22re and 3vze and 5vzfe use the same one, the tall v8 one is for the 4.7L

PT 90915-yzzd3

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Old Aug 31, 2009 | 09:23 PM
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stay away from them pos fram filters
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