Second Blown HG on 3VZE: Desperate
#161
No...read this for a better understanding of what is being accomplished by the process:
Quoted from EB, but I think he was talking about the 22re since he mentions retorquing after a full warm up, something that would be a major PITA for a 3vze.
Quoted from EB, but I think he was talking about the 22re since he mentions retorquing after a full warm up, something that would be a major PITA for a 3vze.
>>>*Other than simple overheat, the #1 cause of head gasket failure is clamping force variations.
Usually when I mention this, the answer is "I torqued it properly!"
*Yes, very likely, but torque, which is a twisting force, means almost nothing when we are talking about clamping force.
Dirt or machinery debris in the bolt holes will throw the clamping force off as much as 50% and more, even though the torque wrench reads perfectly normal.
The same happens when installing new bolts. The very best bolts made will show a rough mating surface at the threads when inspected under a microscope.
When installing new or used fastners, first be sure the bolt will spin in and out ALL THE WAY freely with simple finger pressure. Be sure they are lightly oiled, not too much which can hydraulic lock at the bottom of any blind holes and spoil your day.
Use this simple breakin procedure for any new bolts: Tighten all of them to 50%, back off 1/4 turn, then to 75%, back off 1/4 turn. Then take them to 100%, back off 1/4 turn and repeat. Do a retorque after full warmup.
*This procedure simply assures that the imperfections of the threads seat to the bolt hole threads.
Yes, time consuming, but much faster and less costly than another set of gaskets, the actual clamping force will increase vastly, even though the torque load is exactly the same.
The alternative is you may be additional twisting at the top of the bolt after the threads have come to a stop from excess friction.
If any single one does that, head gasket failure prematurely is gauranteed, plus it weakens the bolt....*EB
Usually when I mention this, the answer is "I torqued it properly!"
*Yes, very likely, but torque, which is a twisting force, means almost nothing when we are talking about clamping force.
Dirt or machinery debris in the bolt holes will throw the clamping force off as much as 50% and more, even though the torque wrench reads perfectly normal.
The same happens when installing new bolts. The very best bolts made will show a rough mating surface at the threads when inspected under a microscope.
When installing new or used fastners, first be sure the bolt will spin in and out ALL THE WAY freely with simple finger pressure. Be sure they are lightly oiled, not too much which can hydraulic lock at the bottom of any blind holes and spoil your day.
Use this simple breakin procedure for any new bolts: Tighten all of them to 50%, back off 1/4 turn, then to 75%, back off 1/4 turn. Then take them to 100%, back off 1/4 turn and repeat. Do a retorque after full warmup.
*This procedure simply assures that the imperfections of the threads seat to the bolt hole threads.
Yes, time consuming, but much faster and less costly than another set of gaskets, the actual clamping force will increase vastly, even though the torque load is exactly the same.
The alternative is you may be additional twisting at the top of the bolt after the threads have come to a stop from excess friction.
If any single one does that, head gasket failure prematurely is gauranteed, plus it weakens the bolt....*EB
#162
I might be interested in it whole... or def. some parts off it anyways... But, it is my sincere wish that it doesn't come to this haha.
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#165
didn't mean it quite like that haha. I just was saying, if it comes to that point, which I hope it doesn't, I'd be very interested in taking the truck off your hands for my personal collection 
and I am glad you made it to work and back just fine. your truck is much better than a Ford anyways...

and I am glad you made it to work and back just fine. your truck is much better than a Ford anyways...
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#166
well im very sure my headgasket is going.....AGAIN!! I got a new block (22re) and head last november since the old one was warped. I'm so pissed, any reccommendations on what brand of headgasket i should use? White smoke appeared this morning and it had symptoms for about a week but i thought it was fuel delivery problems.
#167
well im very sure my headgasket is going.....AGAIN!! I got a new block (22re) and head last november since the old one was warped. I'm so pissed, any reccommendations on what brand of headgasket i should use? White smoke appeared this morning and it had symptoms for about a week but i thought it was fuel delivery problems. 

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well im very sure my headgasket is going.....AGAIN!! I got a new block (22re) and head last november since the old one was warped. I'm so pissed, any reccommendations on what brand of headgasket i should use? White smoke appeared this morning and it had symptoms for about a week but i thought it was fuel delivery problems. 

#170
i went the dealer route. my buddy is a tech at the local toyota place. see if you can get the new version if they make it for the 22re. i know they do for the 3vz, but thats due to the big recall.
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well im very sure my headgasket is going.....AGAIN!! I got a new block (22re) and head last november since the old one was warped. I'm so pissed, any reccommendations on what brand of headgasket i should use? White smoke appeared this morning and it had symptoms for about a week but i thought it was fuel delivery problems. 

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I'm getting some weird vibes; yesterday I drove the truck around town, stopping a several locations from 5-20 minutes each. When I first started it, it smoked like I had a ring broken (bluish) for about 15 minutes, then quit. Next time I started it, ZERO smoke at all. Next stop, no smoke. Next stop, smoking again for about 5 minutes. Then quit. WTF is going on?? I still think I might have a hose hooked up wrong...wish I hadn't waited so damn long to put this thing back together; I forgot where the heck everything went~
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Here's some of my old 93 3ZVE: http://rides.webshots.com/album/571596986BefRyb
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Forgive that I don't recall all of the events and doings since you're rebuild before this, but did the bottom end get a good chance to break in before the HG blew? More specifically, the rings?
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Here's some of my old 93 3ZVE: http://rides.webshots.com/album/571596986BefRyb



