rear shock problem
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rear shock problem
I have a question.
1995 4runner (originally auto tranny)
I had removed the rear axle early last spring, and also ordered some replacement springs. The MOOG whatever I believe they are HD. Often talked about with the saggy rear problems in this forum.
I replaced them and am in process of replacing shocks, which I ordered last spring. The springs with out shocks at full drop - where the springs are not almost loose - leave the shocks about 1 inch too short.
I had ordered standard (well gas shocks) for 95. Comparing new with old indeed almost 1" total shorter than old ones. I've emailed vendor. And am holding my breath!! Not.
Does anyone have thoughts? I can jack the axle up on one side, but it starts to lift the entire frame off of those jackstands. So seems like they are not going to compress much. Maybe that is my error?
Wonder if they (the springs) will settle in a bit. I don't think its a good idea to 'live with it' as (not sure how I'd get into such a situation) if truck ever flexed that much it would pull the shock full extension. Then of course the spring would be loose too. And at least to start I'd be riding around at close to full extension.
1995 4runner (originally auto tranny)
I had removed the rear axle early last spring, and also ordered some replacement springs. The MOOG whatever I believe they are HD. Often talked about with the saggy rear problems in this forum.
I replaced them and am in process of replacing shocks, which I ordered last spring. The springs with out shocks at full drop - where the springs are not almost loose - leave the shocks about 1 inch too short.
I had ordered standard (well gas shocks) for 95. Comparing new with old indeed almost 1" total shorter than old ones. I've emailed vendor. And am holding my breath!! Not.
Does anyone have thoughts? I can jack the axle up on one side, but it starts to lift the entire frame off of those jackstands. So seems like they are not going to compress much. Maybe that is my error?
Wonder if they (the springs) will settle in a bit. I don't think its a good idea to 'live with it' as (not sure how I'd get into such a situation) if truck ever flexed that much it would pull the shock full extension. Then of course the spring would be loose too. And at least to start I'd be riding around at close to full extension.
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I tried putting weight in the back of my 4runner to try and collapse the new OME leafs a bit. After a month with several hundred pounds sitting back there nothing changed. So I kinda doubt you'll see much difference in your springs for a long while. With the Moog springs installed does the vehicle sit level, or is it raised at the back?
Edit:
I did read several reviews from people who installed those springs on 4Runners. Many reviews were worthless, but a few had decent info. Most agreed that the Moog were stiffer than the oem. Many found it tolerable, a few got rid of them. But I had that with OME leaf springs. I thought it made my vehicle ride like a buckboard wagon, but others thought that sensation was great. To each their own.
Regarding ride height that became tougher. Generally most stated that it either levelled out the vehicle or raised it the rear a bit, and they had to compensate at the front(installed Moog springs at front was often the path they chose). Those who stated it was level seemed to have had other suspension modifications already installed, so it was hard to get a good read. Some posted pictures of their now "level" vehicle and I wasn't so sure about that. Seemed higher in the back to me.
So it seems installing the Moog in the back will increase stiffness, and you may have to make some adjustments to the front to get it truly level. just not sure how much.
Edit:
I did read several reviews from people who installed those springs on 4Runners. Many reviews were worthless, but a few had decent info. Most agreed that the Moog were stiffer than the oem. Many found it tolerable, a few got rid of them. But I had that with OME leaf springs. I thought it made my vehicle ride like a buckboard wagon, but others thought that sensation was great. To each their own.
Regarding ride height that became tougher. Generally most stated that it either levelled out the vehicle or raised it the rear a bit, and they had to compensate at the front(installed Moog springs at front was often the path they chose). Those who stated it was level seemed to have had other suspension modifications already installed, so it was hard to get a good read. Some posted pictures of their now "level" vehicle and I wasn't so sure about that. Seemed higher in the back to me.
So it seems installing the Moog in the back will increase stiffness, and you may have to make some adjustments to the front to get it truly level. just not sure how much.
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Good info there Jimkola. Thanks.
One great thing about yotatech is other people's ability to synthesize stuff and summarize properly for d-as like m'self.
Don't have tires on it either. (at all akshully!) Still haven't heard back from 'Shocks-R-Us' yet. I'm fixin to cross ref number off the original toyota shock. Yikes. Yes. Oem anyway.
Also realized reading the fsm I can't do a straight forward brake bleed either. Must purge power steering system first. So hafta get it running first. Onwards!
One great thing about yotatech is other people's ability to synthesize stuff and summarize properly for d-as like m'self.
Don't have tires on it either. (at all akshully!) Still haven't heard back from 'Shocks-R-Us' yet. I'm fixin to cross ref number off the original toyota shock. Yikes. Yes. Oem anyway.
Also realized reading the fsm I can't do a straight forward brake bleed either. Must purge power steering system first. So hafta get it running first. Onwards!
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Shock part numbers
The adventure continues. Posting here so I can find it again.
The shocks I took off are 48531-35820 (stamped TOKICO (?) JAPAN). Friday (?) when I did a search those showed up as being a post '10 Sequoia or sumpin. Figured cosmic rays were jacking up routers or something.
Can NOT find that a match today anywhere - save one site in Japanese (domain is .su wherever that is). And it lists as one of many on 4runner and Prados albeit thru 11/95 build date.
Mine is a10/95 build.
McGeorge toyota lists for the OEM 48531-80507 per VIN. Toyota Part Deal "can not verify fitment". lulz
TPD shows 48531-80157 for 1995. McGeorge can't even find that part number.
And can't find extension length for any of those three. But; the '-35820 is about 1" longer than the KYB replacements.
I did get hold of a person where I bought the KYB (?) gas shocks. All the fitments show 20.75 inches extended length (more or less). I do NOT think the original was lifted. Then again, putting the axle back on I discovered my Right Upper Rear control arm was bent. (Might put pic in a build thread if I ever get around to that). But bent as though a Large Force hit it FROM the fuel tank.
The MOOGshocks springs above are about 1" taller than those that came off. So reckon I might have to eat the new ones, and fetch something that fits a "lift of 0-2 inches".
To be continued.
The shocks I took off are 48531-35820 (stamped TOKICO (?) JAPAN). Friday (?) when I did a search those showed up as being a post '10 Sequoia or sumpin. Figured cosmic rays were jacking up routers or something.
Can NOT find that a match today anywhere - save one site in Japanese (domain is .su wherever that is). And it lists as one of many on 4runner and Prados albeit thru 11/95 build date.
Mine is a10/95 build.
McGeorge toyota lists for the OEM 48531-80507 per VIN. Toyota Part Deal "can not verify fitment". lulz
TPD shows 48531-80157 for 1995. McGeorge can't even find that part number.
And can't find extension length for any of those three. But; the '-35820 is about 1" longer than the KYB replacements.
I did get hold of a person where I bought the KYB (?) gas shocks. All the fitments show 20.75 inches extended length (more or less). I do NOT think the original was lifted. Then again, putting the axle back on I discovered my Right Upper Rear control arm was bent. (Might put pic in a build thread if I ever get around to that). But bent as though a Large Force hit it FROM the fuel tank.
The MOOG
To be continued.
Last edited by coopster; Nov 15, 2022 at 07:43 AM. Reason: post fonts in unreadable color; Moog springs not shocks
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10/95? Does the vin sticker on the driver's door jam say yours is a model year 1995? Nothing is every truly chiseled in stone, but 10/95 typically would mean its a 1996 model. On most Toyotas up to August would be the current model year, but a September build would be classified as the coming year.
Have you checked Bilstein for rear shocks? I originally put KYB on the front of mine, but found them too stiff for me. I swapped them out for Bilstein and was so pleased that I replaced the rears. I think Bilstein offered a stock height one, and one to accommodate a lift.
I did find a Tokico chart that listed the part number you found on your oem shock. It looks like Toyota had about a dozen different part numbers for the same shock(the part number McGeorge has was listed in that grouping). Finding Tokico specs will be tough though. you'll have better luck getting specs from Bilstein or another supplier.
Have you checked Bilstein for rear shocks? I originally put KYB on the front of mine, but found them too stiff for me. I swapped them out for Bilstein and was so pleased that I replaced the rears. I think Bilstein offered a stock height one, and one to accommodate a lift.
I did find a Tokico chart that listed the part number you found on your oem shock. It looks like Toyota had about a dozen different part numbers for the same shock(the part number McGeorge has was listed in that grouping). Finding Tokico specs will be tough though. you'll have better luck getting specs from Bilstein or another supplier.
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Thanks Jimkola!
Yes it is "1995" model. Curious though, as you state, I can't remember exactly but I want to say a couple of years ago doing the wire harness I think, I recall finding something that was actually on the 96 schematics but existed on this unit. Almost everything tho is 95. Also There are some wires I recall, that were not the same 'color' as the supplemental EWD book. And I just got an email back from MGeorge that the VIN supplied was a 95 (trying to get part for the 99 motor).
Got to try to get a hold of shockwarehouse or whoever it was again and see if I can do a swap on the shocks. Get a slightly longer set without spending way too much.
Yes it is "1995" model. Curious though, as you state, I can't remember exactly but I want to say a couple of years ago doing the wire harness I think, I recall finding something that was actually on the 96 schematics but existed on this unit. Almost everything tho is 95. Also There are some wires I recall, that were not the same 'color' as the supplemental EWD book. And I just got an email back from MGeorge that the VIN supplied was a 95 (trying to get part for the 99 motor).
Got to try to get a hold of shockwarehouse or whoever it was again and see if I can do a swap on the shocks. Get a slightly longer set without spending way too much.
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Final update. Spoke with the owner I guess, and he was certain I'm a complete idiot, with out saying as much. And who am I to disagree?
So I dropped out the new springs, swapped either side, put back in. Found some wheels off my 99 parts truck, dropped it and bounced on it. Raised it back up with (still on jackstands), put floor jack under diff, and whatever changed did. I have just enough to get the nuts on top of shock now. Releasing floor jack seems like it stretches the replacement shocks to max, but springs are not loose, the hose to brake divider bracket is not stretched, and all seems happy now. Don't know where that extra 1/2 came from but all is well enough. So a 15 min job as it shoulda been.
Suspect if I ever get to where the shocks are stretched and stressed, that would probably be least of my worries.
Summary is the MOOG and KYB shocks as listed above are fine. Just don't be a D-A.
So I dropped out the new springs, swapped either side, put back in. Found some wheels off my 99 parts truck, dropped it and bounced on it. Raised it back up with (still on jackstands), put floor jack under diff, and whatever changed did. I have just enough to get the nuts on top of shock now. Releasing floor jack seems like it stretches the replacement shocks to max, but springs are not loose, the hose to brake divider bracket is not stretched, and all seems happy now. Don't know where that extra 1/2 came from but all is well enough. So a 15 min job as it shoulda been.
Suspect if I ever get to where the shocks are stretched and stressed, that would probably be least of my worries.
Summary is the MOOG and KYB shocks as listed above are fine. Just don't be a D-A.
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