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Old May 6, 2016 | 08:07 PM
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OEM front wheel bearings or after market?

I would imagine the OEM replacement set up for a bearing job is the best way to go. I got a parts quote from Toyota for $348 for both front wheels. I think this is high but I dont want to have to do this again anytime soon. I just want to see what you guys think about the other options.

OEM breakdown
inner bearing $75 each
outer bearing $40 each
seals $25 each
locking star washer $5 each
24mm nut $9 each
some other washer or nut $2.50 each
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Old May 6, 2016 | 08:51 PM
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Marlin Crawler kit. Approx. 150 for both sides. Uses OEM, Koyo bearings. Does not include the 54mm nuts, but unless the originals have been chiseled, they should be fine to reuse.


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Old May 7, 2016 | 12:24 AM
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Are your Toyota Prices List price or price quote from a online Toyota Dealer??
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Old May 7, 2016 | 03:02 AM
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Are your Toyota Prices List price or price quote from a online Toyota Dealer??

no i called the local dealer here in Pensacola Florida
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Old May 7, 2016 | 05:25 AM
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You can save money on the bearings by looking at the number on the bearing, then find out who sells them.

My truck has Timken bearings. When I search for the Timken part numbers I find them for sale for $15.23 for the outer (includes both bearing and cup), and $19.33 for the inner.

Online suppliers like Rock Auto, Amazon, and local suppliers like Kaman and Motion Industries all carry bearings.

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Old May 7, 2016 | 05:58 AM
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Kinda off topic but is it possible to remove the front rotors without disassembling the bearing from the hub?
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Old May 7, 2016 | 06:12 AM
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Kinda off topic but is it possible to remove the front rotors without disassembling the bearing from the hub?
No. The rotor is bolted to the backside of the hub. To get the rotor off, you need to remove the hub, which requires removal of the bearings.
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Old May 7, 2016 | 08:09 AM
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It doesn't requires removing the bearings. But it does require removing the hub.

On the topic. There are no particular brands I would stay away from. I would however stay away from unbranded generic bearings. Such as el cheapo parts store house brands from say NAPA or AZ.

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Old May 7, 2016 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MudHippy
It doesn't requires removing the bearings. But it does require removing the hub.

On the topic. There are no particular brands I would stay away from. I would however stay away from unbranded generic bearings. Such as el cheapo parts store house brands from say NAPA or AZ.
Good to know! Not sure if mine need replacing yet but if they do has anyone tried this kit? http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/toyot...aring-kit.html
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Old May 7, 2016 | 09:42 AM
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It doesn't requires removing the bearings. But it does require removing the hub.
How are you going to remove the hub without removing at least the outer bearing? Technically the inner bearing could stay inside the hub, but I would question the methods of anybody who would not remove and repack both bearings.
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Old May 7, 2016 | 10:16 AM
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Marlin crawler. I bought the kit and don't have any problems after install.
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Old May 7, 2016 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by MudHippy
It doesn't requires removing the bearings. But it does require removing the hub.

On the topic. There are no particular brands I would stay away from. I would however stay away from unbranded generic bearings. Such as el cheapo parts store house brands from say NAPA or AZ.

Thank you this is the kind of info im looking for. Ill pull the hubs apart and see whats in there.
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Old May 7, 2016 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by d-wood
Marlin crawler. I bought the kit and don't have any problems after install.

How many miles do you have on them?
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Old May 7, 2016 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rustypigeon
How are you going to remove the hub without removing at least the outer bearing? Technically the inner bearing could stay inside the hub
You just keep making technically inaccurate statements. Outer bearing needs removed? No. Removed from what? It resides in the hub. Do you have to remove the hub with the outer bearing(inner race and outer race/bearing cage) an the inner bearing(inner race and outer race/bearing cage)? Yes. 2 parts for each bearing. 4 bearing parts need removed FROM THE SPINDLE at the same time as the hub.

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Old May 7, 2016 | 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MudHippy
You just keep making technically inaccurate statements. Outer bearing needs removed? No. Removed from what? It resides in the hub. Do you have to remove the hub with the outer bearing(inner race and outer race/bearing cage) an the inner bearing(inner race and outer race/bearing cage)? Yes. 2 parts for each bearing. 4 bearing parts need removed FROM THE SPINDLE at the same time as the hub.
You are absolutely correct. Neither bearing needs to be removed.

When you remove the hub, what is holding the outer bearing to the hub? Nothing! Well, maybe the surface tension of the grease. So while you are correct in that it does not need to be removed, it may just fall on the floor when you pull the hub off. And, as we know, the inner grease seal will keep the inner bearing from falling out.

Anyone who removes a hub and does not remove and repack both bearings is a true shade tree hack.

So here is the technically correct answer...

Do the bearings NEED to be removed to remove the hub? No. (although you may have one fall on the floor if you don't hold it in with your hand)

SHOULD the bearings be removed to remove and install the hub properly? Yes, Unless you like old dirty grease on the bearings.

In similar logic, I have heard of people removing and replacing the rocker arm assembly of a 22RE without removing the cylinder head because technically the head didn't NEED to come off. Yeah, the head didn't NEED to come off, but you just compromised the integrity of your head gasket so it SHOULD have come off.

I often make the mistake of assuming people want to know the proper way a job is done when they ask a question. It did not dawn on me that there are actually people out there who would take the time to remove and install a hub, yet leave the old grease in the bearings. My apologies for the confusion.

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Old May 7, 2016 | 05:48 PM
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The 85 that I drive everyday has the original front bearings that came in it 31 yrs ago. And Im by no means a conservative driver. Thats Toyota quality. I would never use another brand unless I just could not afford it.
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Old May 8, 2016 | 11:45 AM
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While replacing the bearing Im also rebuilding the breaks...

would you guys scrap these pistons or use them for a rebuild?
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Old May 8, 2016 | 03:11 PM
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my bearings are Koyo LM102949 for my outer. my inner was broken to bits.
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Old May 9, 2016 | 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Drahog
While replacing the bearing Im also rebuilding the breaks...

would you guys scrap these pistons or use them for a rebuild?
looks like some rust or pitting on the pistons? i'd do a teardown and see if the bore is smooth.

you might want to price some quality rebuilt calipers.
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Old May 9, 2016 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by osv
looks like some rust or pitting on the pistons? i'd do a teardown and see if the bore is smooth.

you might want to price some quality rebuilt calipers.

the pistons have pitting the bore is smooth.
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