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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by thook
Did you manage to jump the TE1-E1 terminals to verify TPS functioning, yet?

And, what about the airflow meter?
I am at work right now so no, not yet but will do it today.

As for the airflow meter I will have to do some searching to find how to test that.
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 10:16 AM
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Here's a test I ran on my 22re AFM. The values would be different, but the procedure is the same.

https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f116...esting-146662/

As well, this is the FSM procedure. It covers the standard procedure.....probably more related to your symptoms than the "sweep" test, but a thorough testing is always good.

Any questions about either, post up. Including where to set your meter and how to use it.
http://personal.utulsa.edu/~nathan-b...92volumeai.pdf
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 11:23 AM
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Thanks thook! For validity/educational purposes I will take pictures tonight and how I test the AFM.
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Old Aug 18, 2008 | 05:28 PM
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So.......



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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 04:25 AM
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I couldn't get unlazy from playing Call of Duty 4 and the Wii. I will try again tonight.
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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 07:04 AM
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Know whatcha mean....

Oh, FWIW....it occurred to me...on the TPS....for future reference, if ever in doubt about the TPS, you can unplug it and in such a scenario the condition will usually improve or disappear if it is the culprit.

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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by thook
Know whatcha mean....

Oh, FWIW....it occurred to me...on the TPS....for future reference, if ever in doubt about the TPS, you can unplug it and in such a scenario the condition will usually improve or disappear if it is the culprit.
I did that already (original post) condition was the same and it sucked hardcore driving/going up hills. Almost felt like the car wouldn't rev over 3k and would want to die going up hills. Very much considering that "TPS upgrade" on 4Crawler. The one where you replace the crap screws with allen head bolts for the future.

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Old Aug 19, 2008 | 07:30 AM
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Right....I remember that now.

Yeah....those screws area biotch! Worse on the 22re. You can't even access the bottom screw without pulling the TB or the thermostat housing.

I use a small, 1" long phillips head on the 3.0. Found it at Harbor Freight for like $.25. Allen screws became a non-issue, then.
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:31 PM
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Update (8/22/08):
So I let the car warm up (it's in PARK the WHOLE time FYI) and I checked the idle. At this point it's at 900-1000RPMS. I put my "special tool" TE1/E1 and I check the gauge cluster to make sure I jumped it. I know I did it correctly because now my O/D is flashing and so is the CEL. As for idle it didn't change still 900-1000RPMS. Guess it's time to pull off the TB, huh?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:32 PM
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What is this?

Also looking around for "vac leaks" I noticed this on the driver's side wheel well:



From the looks of it it seems to be a drain or overflow of some sort. If this is suppose to be capped or connected to something let me know!
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostinChick
Update (8/22/08):
So I let the car warm up (it's in PARK the WHOLE time FYI) and I checked the idle. At this point it's at 900-1000RPMS. I put my "special tool" TE1/E1 and I check the gauge cluster to make sure I jumped it. I know I did it correctly because now my O/D is flashing and so is the CEL. As for idle it didn't change still 900-1000RPMS. Guess it's time to pull off the TB, huh?
or maybe just leave the jumper in and loosen the TPS and rotate it the opposite direction from throttle opening until the idle speed drops?

Originally Posted by BoostinChick
Also looking around for "vac leaks" I noticed this on the driver's side wheel well:



From the looks of it it seems to be a drain or overflow of some sort. If this is suppose to be capped or connected to something let me know!
looks like the condensate drain line from the air conditioner. you have a/c?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
or maybe just leave the jumper in and loosen the TPS and rotate it the opposite direction from throttle opening until the idle speed drops?


looks like the condensate drain line from the air conditioner. you have a/c?
The TPS is such a PITA to get to on these motors I was just going to give 4crawler the $5 and get the allen head bolts and use those. I will see if I can finagle with what you suggested though. Before I run out and do this (in Layman's Terms) you mean turn the TPS counter-clockwise?

As for the a/c yes sir I do! What can I say? I'm spoiled.

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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostinChick
Also looking around for "vac leaks" I noticed this on the driver's side wheel well:



From the looks of it it seems to be a drain or overflow of some sort. If this is suppose to be capped or connected to something let me know!
I thinks for the condensor, there's 1 like that on the passenger side that looks exactly like that for the cooling unit. At least that how it is on my 91. I don't think it's different for your 94......

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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BoostinChick
The TPS is such a PITA to get to on these motors I was just going to give 4crawler the $5 and get the allen head bolts and use those. I will see if I can finagle with what you suggested though. Before I run out and do this (in Layman's Terms) you mean turn the TPS counter-clockwise?

As for the a/c yes sir I do! What can I say? I'm spoiled.
You do realize that even if you get 4Crawler's allen kit... you still have to get in there?
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Old Aug 22, 2008 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
You do realize that even if you get 4Crawler's allen kit... you still have to get in there?
That's why I said I was going to take the TB off...I guess I am making it harder for myself then what it really is. It got dark out tonight so I will try it tomorrow morning and post my results.
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 10:34 AM
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Results of the TPS:

VTA/E2
Throttle Closed = .79-.80
Wide Open Throttle = 4.78

(Turn Ignition Switch ON - per the FSM)
IDL/E2
I have no feeler gauge so I just measured it sweeping. So halfway open, then WOT.

Throttle Halfway = 3.96
WOT = 1.45

From what I am being told it should be infinite between these points? The FSM states that with the throttle valve open it should be between 9-14v? I think abecedarian and everyone else who said TPS may be right (and for the sake of ending this thread I hope so too lol).

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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 10:43 AM
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So, what's the E2/IDL resistance at .5 mm (.020") and .77 mm (.030") throttle?

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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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She may have figured it out... but I'll let her tell y'all.
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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by abecedarian
She may have figured it out... but I'll let her tell y'all.
Updated this post: https://www.yotatech.com/50905514-post136.html

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Old Aug 23, 2008 | 02:40 PM
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Ya really think so, Abe?....lol
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