lobukbuild

has any one ever used a cross over steering set up on an ifs? a few of the trucks we run are still ifs and know that one of weak links on lifting these becomes the tie rod ends. even more so if you run a locker. although "ive" yet to break one i do carry a spare rod with me. ive been wondering about converting to a cross over. i do understand steering geometry and realize there could be a chance of some bump steer. the trk is not my dd and the only street time it gets is on the way to the trails. i think converting could have alot of advantages. but would like to hear what all of yotatech has to say about it before i jump in and start. would most likely be using left over high steer parts and fabbing the rest. any thoughts ? what say you.

ifs , sas , wheel what you got ! break it , fix it , repeat !

warpigg

if you dont dd it and its only a trail rig why dont you do full hydraulic assit also

lobukbuild

just trying to keep it basic and i have the parts and the means to do it. assist would be nice but i already run a steering ratio doubler.

lobukbuild

p.s. love your avitar !!

warpigg

ya that roll over was great i was doing 20 mph maybe 25 mph and hit loose dirt on the side of the road and the runner spun around and i hit a pile of cyinder blocks in a culvert hole and floped it on its side... and what does a steering ration doubler do like where does it go?

lobukbuild

it doubles your steering ratio. one turn of the steering wheel equals two turns at the wheels. it doesnt increase your actual turning radius but turns the wheels faster with less turning of your steering wheel. it gets spliced in on your steering shaft before the box (between steering wheel and steering box). its an old circle track race car thing. i wouldnt recommend it for street driving but its kinda cool on the trail. it takes alot of getting used to.

also noticed your celica project. i had a 79 that i raced at ne dragway for a while in the 80s, loved it.

mightymouse

iTrader: (6)

think about how a ifs rig moves and articulates. crossover steering wouldn't work. It is already essentially a cross over steering style just adapted to the way an ifs rig functions. If you want parts that will take some abuse look into total chaos for your ifs needs.

lobukbuild

was kinda thinkin the same, bump steer. at full flex (ha ha never thought id ever type full flex and refer to ifs at the same time) it would create a toe in situation wouldnt it. curious to how much though, and would you even notice it on the trail? this is just an idea ive had for awhile and would like input on. being able and having the parts is a bonus when it comes to keeping it cheap, total chaos has awesome equipment that weve used in the past but im looking to do/try some thing different just cause. just an experiment kind of thing.im just looking to get opinions and thoughts from others as well.

warpigg

ya i was curious about the ratio doubler for my celica actually, i took the power steering out of it that why i inquired about it. but ya i guess that would take some getting use too.

yea i just noticed your avitar we can be rollover buddies

Utah4Runner86

iTrader: (1)

It's not crossover you want, it's the FJ80 rod ends. Before my IFS truck blew up I was thinking about doing the same thing. Use a chunk of dom for your tie rod, weld in bungs for the rod ends, and then have a machinist ream out your steering knuckles to accept the larger taper.

I would look into bracing the idler and maybe finding a thicker pitman while you're at it? Post pics if you do this!

waskillywabbit

iTrader: (-1)

Too much crap in the way for high steer and IFS to co exist. I have beefed it up before with heavier wall tubing and larger TREs. Lots of work though IMO.

:wabbit2:

lobukbuild

the adjustments tubes is where i see failure the most.beefing the system up at all pionts is probally the best chioce , chaos or fj and heavier tubes would deff do the trick. like i said ive never broken one yet but have seen it happen enough. im sure i will break mine eventually. i was just looking for something stonger and simple w/o spending a ton of money. i have the cross overcross over parts and figured what the heck if i could make them work why not. havent crawled under there yet and actually started measuring , but figured id start by asking if its been tryed. if it has been atempted im sure some one on here would know about it. it looks like the angle of the rod on lifted trucks could have an effect on thier strength as well. more angle = more slop and deflection in the system.

TrikeKid

Tougher custom links and FJ80 or Chevy 1 ton TRE's is the way to go here. TC idler or I've also seen recently a RHD steering box used as an idler. A steering setup on IFS with a solid link wheel to wheel wouldn't work due to interference from other components, but if that wasn't there would still simply drive horribly.

And yeah, any lift that puts more angle into the arms is going to have a negative effect on reliability and road manners.

rattlewagon

Check out Ikes Build:

https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f199...l#post51514782

lobukbuild

now thats a beefy set up! probally end up doing some thing like that. i was more looking to elliminate so may moving parts tho. hence the cross over idea, two rods one steering box.