ttownjoeshow

Hey, i bought my Runner, but Hate the Gearing in the tranny, they are wayy too low. I'll be going 90Kmh in 5th and shes spinning at 2,600rpm. I have 3 22R trannys kicking around, 2 manual and 1 auto. i Highly boubt that they would bolt on. Did a search and came up with nothing.

Thanks

CoedNaked

I don't think they'll bolt on at all, and I don't think they're built as stoutly as the tranny you have in your truck which is matched to the 3vze.

CAn you elaborate a bit more - what year 4runner, auto or manual, and what gears?

And when you say low, I'm assuming you mean she spins too much, correct? Just need to clarify so we can help solve your issue.

For the record I have a 93 pickup (as you can see from my sig - and the 4runners and pickups share a lot of the same components, gears, etc.), 3vze, and the R150F 5 speed manual tranny (the stock tranny that is made to match with the 3vze) and due to the 4.56 gears I have in my truck that help turn the stock 31" tires I have on my truck it does turn a little faster than most peoples liking on the highway. For instance it turns about 2700 RPM's around 100 km/h (60 MPH), and about 3050 RPM's at 110 km/h (70 MPH). Not the best for gas mileage or engine longetivity but lots of guys swear it isn't an issue and the engine can handle those highway RPM's no problem. I myself try and keep it under 105 km/h (65 MPH) and lately I've toned it down to cruising at about 100 km/h (60 MPH) just for to not work the engine so hard by keeping it no more than 2750 RPM's and it also really helps your gas mileage. Once you go over 105 km/h (65 MPH) your gas mileage starts to take a little dive.
The one thing that is beneficial about the lower gearing though is it is great for driving around town, it's easier on the engine when you accelerate, and it's also great offroad for keeping your engine spinning and not lugging in slower spots.

95RunnerSR5

i was looking for a new motor for my 95 runner 3VZE auto and i noticed that the A340h tranny i have "i think" will fit the 3VZE and 22RE so i dont think there will be a problem with them bolting right up

ttownjoeshow

She's a 88, manual 5spd and i'm not too sure about the gears, it has 31s on it and with my GPS the speedo is correct. But then again, most cars speedo's are quicker than the actual speed (approx 10km's faster at 80kmh)

By the sounds of your truck, mine is pretty much the same (rpm, speed)
i just find it weird the difference in gearing from the 6 to 4cyl tranny's, don't get me wrong though, this tranny is amazing in the mud!!! lol

I would still like some longer gears though.

Any body know What is the tranny like for the 3.4L?

Thanks eh!!

CoedNaked

The 3.4 (5vzfe) and 3.0 (3vze) manual trannies are virtually identical as far as I know, for instance guys swapping a 3.4 into a 3.0 can use the 3.0 tranny. They have the exact same gear ratios in them as well for all 5 gears. Your best bet is to gear your diffs differently if this is a big concern OR go to larger tires and have your speedo recalibrated to account for the larger tire size.

What does your Door jam sticker say? It should say G254 or G294 (4.56 or 4.10 gears respectively).

Bobakazi

If all you are looking for is lower rpm's on the road, putting on bigger tires would be your cheapest solution. Every time your driveline goes around, you will be moving further down the road because of the larger circumference of the tires. This will make the rpm's lower.

Chuki

You can always hit up Marlin Crawler, I thought he was able to put new gears in the R150 and R151 tranny's. Give you a lower 1st and taller OD.

kyle_22r

the only 4 cylinder tranny that will bolt to the 3.0 is the R151F from the '86-87 22RTE turbo trucks.

95RunnerSR5

ok my mistake

Chuki

If your sticking with the 3.0 I wouldn't worry to much about gearing and RPM's. Thats how these engines are designed, and as long as you have a good engine, and keep regular maint. on it, those RPM's aren't going to hurt anything.

ttownjoeshow

Exellent info people! i thank ya's!!

so the stock gearing is G292 and the tranny is R150F for my runner. The guy i bought it off of said that they only put this tranny and engine together for like 6 months of production, alittle scarry lol

i have some 35" tires but only have a 2" BL. Have a 4" SL and 5.29 gears but thats on another truck (rolled), was planning on switching them over in the winter

Have a tranny from my last turbo Toy, so thats pretty cool. I didn't want to buy a tranny lol and its a auto!

Thanks again!!

bob200587

I know in my 22RE 2700 RPMs or more is needed on the highway, otherwise it just feels like the engine is lugging. These toyota motors like to rev high, all of the different kinds i've driven do the same.

Bobakazi

Sweet!!!

Gonzo4Runner

As far as swapping a manual tranny from a 22R(E?) truck into a 3VZE truck to achieve a higher (numerically lower) final drive ration will not work for a number of reasons:

1. As mentioned before the 4 cyl trannys will not bolt up to a 3VZE. Also, the R151 will only bolt up to a 3VZE if the bell housing from the R150 is used.

2. The gear ratios for the W56 and G58 trannys are very close to the ratios of the R150. In reality the ratios for the W56 and G58 are slightly lower (numerically higher). Example, the 5th gear for the R150 is 0.83:1 and for the W56 it is 0.85:1. The earlier trannys for the 22R (early G and L series) have basically the same ratios.

3. The bearings on the inputs of the 4 cyl trannys are not designed for the higher torques of the 6 cyl engines. While there are many stories of v8 swaps, it is easy to over stress the input of the 4 cyl trannys with that much power.

Bottom line is there is no reason to put a W, L or G series transmission behind a 3VZE.

As far as the statement that Toyota only used the R150 with the 3VZE for six months, this is incorrect. This was the standard combination (for manual transmission) for the entire life of the 3VZE motor (model years 1988 to 1995). This transmission was even used with the 3.4 V6 (as stated earlier).

To accomplish what you want to do, changing the transmission will not help. Even with a Toyota autotranny, the OD ratio is not much different than the ratio in the manual trannies. You need to change tire size or differential ratio.

If you change swap out the differential gears (to 5.29 from 4.56) and change tire size (to 35's from 31's), you will be running higher engine RPM's than you are now for the same speed, maybe by about 100 RPM.

ttownjoeshow

hahaa wow, okay! i guess i'll just love it and like it the way she is (still wanna jackher up!)

bigtrucknwheels

O.K. I am bringing back an old thread for one, and for two, i don't count this as a high jack, because its over a year old.

I did a search for 3vze transmission swap hoping to find a thread exactly like this one. I did.

Here is my story. I have a 3vz-e and am completly satisfied with the motor itself. I just hate the a340h auto trannie behind it. I am interested in a manual transmission swap, however, budget is a concern. I can obtain a w56 trannie from a 22re really cheap, along with the clutch pedal set, clutch master and slave cylinders and everything else.

So, whats my point? i think i recall reading somewhere that while doing a 3.4 swap, you can buy a bell housing to use a w56 with it. Couldnt i, in theory, use that bell housing to couple up this transmission to my 3.0? What problems might i face? I see people all the time modding out their 22r-e's to over 150 H.P. and i dont hear of them blowing trannies. I think if it will last 3 or 4 years or about 50000 miles, it would be completely worth it to me.

Thoughts? Is this unheard of? heck, i already got a 4cyl rear end in my truck and its holding out just fine. i would think it would be o.k., but im sure you guys know better than i.

Corbit

I think you should just swap over and let us know.