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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 11:06 AM
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Trans-Cooler lines burst, so how much for New Tranny?

Well my Tranny issues persist. I posted a couple of weeks ago about my Radiator/Tranny-Cooler lines bursting and all of my engine coolant rushing into my tranny/tranny pan. After replacing the Radiator and completely draining and flushing the tranny (used 28 qts to completely flush and refill), the Tranny continues to behave funny:

- While stopped at a light (on level pavement), if I let off of the brake, it will not roll fwd like it used to. It will sit in place until I actually press the gas.
- 1st to 2nd shifting is rough, and I can audibly hear a metallic clunk during the shift.
- Shifting into reverse is delayed about 2 seconds and then is violent and loud when it finally does shift.

Any diagnosis based on description? The 4runner has 108K miles and is a 99% hwy vehicle. It only sees 4WD during snow storms and 1 or 2 camping trips a year.

Am I looking at a new Tranny?
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 12:38 PM
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Did you drop the pan and replace the filter ???

David
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 12:43 PM
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It sounds like the clutch packs are messed up....or stall converter...im not great with autos.

The BEST place to call is john at IPT.
http://www.importperformancetrans.com/
He will tell you right away what is wrong and if its trash...
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Old Jun 18, 2007 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nrgetic99
Did you drop the pan and replace the filter ???

David
Yes, dropped the pan, replaced the filter and used the tranny pump to flush the entire system. As I said, it took 28 qts to completely flush everything until the flluid had no more "strawberry milkshake" left from the coolant being mixed with it.

I'll give IPT a call and see if he can help. Thanks for the info.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 05:20 AM
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Is there a replacement time frame for tranny lines? I thought they were
good for the life of the car? Anyone know?
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 4RUNR_FAN
Is there a replacement time frame for tranny lines? I thought they were
good for the life of the car? Anyone know?
It's not the line itself that burst... it's the tranny fluid cooling coil inside the radiator that developed a leak, and allowed coolant under pressure to get pushed into his tranny.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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another reason to go external tranny oil cooler...which i think I will do sooner then later now
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Weasy2k
another reason to go external tranny oil cooler...which i think I will do sooner then later now
X2, I'm by-passing mine right now.





The only thing that worrries me is in cold weather maybe over cooling the ATF. The stock radiator cooler can only cool down to the coolant temp.

Sorry for the hijack dude. I really don't know what would help you in your nightmare, except to say I feel your pain. Good luck

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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 08:36 AM
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If you get the hayden ones they have built in thermostat which opens around 90deg
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 09:19 AM
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So should we be worried about the integrity of our radiators as we near 100k miles?

Might need to upgrade to one of these:

http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGe...8-E6095E464A94
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by mt_goat
X2, I'm by-passing mine right now.
I posted this question in https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f2/transmission-cooler-install-question-117836/ and I guess this issue is split down the middle. I bypassed mine on my car, and will do it on the 4Runner as long as it doesn't need the crappy one in the radiator.

Ebbsnflows' problem (and a few others with the same issue ive seen on different forums) has given me no faith in the OEM tranny cooler as I have 103k miles.
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Old Jun 19, 2007 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by QSVeilside
So should we be worried about the integrity of our radiators as we near 100k miles?

Might need to upgrade to one of these:

http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGe...8-E6095E464A94
I am at 200k miles + (270k km) so i think its either RARE or im just lucky!
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 01:08 PM
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Ok...back to the topic for a moment....Anyone have to replace their Tranny or have it rebuilt? What did you pay? Just trying to get an idea of how much vaseline I'm going to need.
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Old Jun 20, 2007 | 05:15 PM
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Pretty crazy.
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Ebbsnflows
Ok...back to the topic for a moment....Anyone have to replace their Tranny or have it rebuilt? What did you pay? Just trying to get an idea of how much vaseline I'm going to need.
Search for the user Lee, I remember his tranny grenaded itself earlier this spring and he had to buy a new transmission.....i vaguely remember the price of the tranny is 1500 and probably 1000 to have someone put it in, so a total of about $2500
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 08:13 AM
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You should ask John how much he would charge...i dont know how close you are and the added shipping rates, but the higher cost you pay will at least get you a durable tranny, John knows his stuff.
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Old Jun 21, 2007 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Ebbsnflows
Ok...back to the topic for a moment....Anyone have to replace their Tranny or have it rebuilt? What did you pay? Just trying to get an idea of how much vaseline I'm going to need.
My overhaul was $2400. $900 was parts which included about $600 in hard parts which you should not require and $160 for the torque converter which you may or may not require. The labor charges were also extended due to the amount of cleanup that had to be done due to the debris from the broken gears. The book time for R&R and 'clean' overhaul is about 12 hours IIRC so your cost will vary greatly depending on the shop rate. An OEM torque converter lists for almost $800 but can be had for $600. That's a big jump from the $160 reconditioned on. BUT, I'm still having lock-up problems with mine.

I would guess that you could have it pulled, all frictions replaced and a recon torque converter installed for ~$300 plus 12 hours. (1200-780 : $100 - $65 / hr)

A dealer supplied rebuilt is ~$2200.
A used unit can be had for $700-$1000 depending on your local supply.
While all Tundra. Tacoma, and 4runners share the same basic unit, there are some differences which it seems no one can itemize. The public knowledge base of interchangeability seems fairly shallow. Failures are rare and reserved for us special few.
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Old Jun 22, 2007 | 11:13 AM
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When my J30 tranny went out, I found one on Ebay for around $800 refurbished, and then $600 to install. That might be a cheaper route to take. The ebay refurbs generally have 12month/12000 mile warranties.
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Old Jun 24, 2007 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by mt_goat
X2, I'm by-passing mine right now.





The only thing that worrries me is in cold weather maybe over cooling the ATF. The stock radiator cooler can only cool down to the coolant temp.

Sorry for the hijack dude. I really don't know what would help you in your nightmare, except to say I feel your pain. Good luck
Holy cow. I had no idea, that this was an actual issue. Maybe I should bypass my stock cooler as well.

Back on topic, I say give IPT a call. They seem to know their stuff.
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