runethechamp

Does anyone know why the Stubb's sliders are only weld-on when you have the scab plates attached to the sliders? To me the attachment points then seem more or less identical to the 4crawler slider attachments, which can be bolted on.

4rnr

scab plates? are those like a plate at the end of the conecting tube? if so the "scab plate" is so when you weld you have a larger footptint on the frame so you dont rip a hole in it, which rarely happens infact Ive never heard of it. weld it up.


and comence to ubiquitice and moronic debate, of weld vs. bolt.

ScubaDuck

Pursuant to the sticky about Misinformation: Generally, I KNOW NOTHING, and even less about welded on sliders. DONT RELY ON ANYTHING I SAY. That being said:

This thread discusses the reasons for using scab plates with the Stubbs sliders (from the man himself). Around Post # 39, I think.

https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f31/hi-lift-near-miss-today-careful-everyone-53327/

If you check out the pics in that thread, it looks like the Stubbs sliders did not have a mounting plate like the ones on the 4Crawler sliders, but from the Stubbswelding.com site it looks like the current models do. (Just my observation from looking at the pics). This may explain why scab plates were needed in the above thread. Don't know if they are needed on the current models.

-Scubaduck

4rnr

But, given the track record of welding armor to frames, (using a plate, as I did when I did mine) I would say there is NO evidence that it is a poor choice. Of course there are stronger methods Im sure, but for those of US who wont be removing the sliders, and dont want to worry about bolts, welding is a fine and clean option.

ecchamberlin

Thinking that is what he is saying also.

Stubbs sliders used to be shipped with the scab plates as an option and when they were requested they did not come prewelded on the sliders. From what I have seen coming from him lately they come already welded on. Yet another fine improvement from Mr Stubbs!

4rnr

As long as he can get the lengths perfect, on every slider Ive installed (mostly allpro's which is in the land of no tape measures bc NOTHING ive gotten fit) I had to trim an inch or two off of 1 or more of the tubes to get them to sit right on the frame. Im sure thats what stubbs initial reason was. And people w/o welders complained

ecchamberlin

Probably sound like a sales rep but...I have had 2 set on 2 seperate yotas and helped prep and install another 2 sets and can say they all were flawless. Zero issues.

4rnr

Im taking it your refering to stubbs? Then hes doing a good job i wish I was that lucky

wifesaysimadumbass

i wrecked a set with scab plates so my new sliders just have four legs straight to the frame with gussets on top of each one
heres a pic

Bob_98SR5

i talked with richard stubbs today. he now welds the scab plates on his sliders

dfoxengr

wabbit pi r^2 is the area of a circle, lol

BruceTS

If I get a chance to post pictures, I'll show you a frame that had the slider welded directy to them without scab plates, even had a gusset. The frame shows evidence of deformation.... Where's the frame now? in my backyard

runethechamp

Thanks for all the info. There are obvious advantages to both attachment methods, but as a structural engineer I have to say I don't like to drill holes in the frame. I have no idea what kind of stresses the frame actually sees in that location, but a simple hole with no bolt in it would increase those stresses with a factor of 3 around the hole. Welding on the sliders seems like the best way to go, and the effect of the scab plates is easy to understand.

4rnr

Theres always someone. When a forum is open to the world I could say the sun will rise tomarow and someone from the arctic circle will say otherwise

ecchamberlin

It is my opinion that bolting them to the frame without some sort of in the frame spacer could begin to crush the frame when the bolts are tightened. I have no idea how you would get a spacer inside a fully boxed frame and line it up with the bolt and drilled holes.

So I weld them. With scab plates.

dfoxengr

wow even the "senior" members of here really are rude. hows that misinformation thread at the top?

i was just making sure other people didnt make mistakes and you have to be a prick about it huh? ill remove this post if you were joking.

ecchamberlin

dfoxenger
Not sure who you are refering to.
???????

dfoxengr

just look up a few posts...

bruzer1123

I think he is refering to Wabbit. I read that as Wabbit saying that pi r^2 is the same as pi x d/2 xd/2.

dfoxengr

he had pi * d*d. then changed it.

like i said, ill delete my posts if wabbit tells me he was joking.