well its decision time. Nothing is going to happen for a few months. But I need to figure out what to do with the front of the truck. I can either go ahead and get the front locker, and get the manual hubs thrown on. Total cost in the $1500-1700 range. Or I can go ahead and just SAS it. I know its a lot more, and I know I have gotten nowhere near testing the limits of IFS.

Either way I do this, I have to pay someone else for the install. Second modifying the truck is more of a hobby for me then anything else. I've kinda gotten it into my head that this is the next thing I would like to see done to the truck.

What I need to know are the ballpark cost for the parts, and also a ballpark for the labor, seperately. Labor is subjective, and prices are all over the board. So a good idea on cost of parts would be great, and a clue on what I should expect to hear in terms of labor costs. I searched and it seemed like everyone said $2000 was about what I should expect in parts.

Secondly is there any magor disadvantage to SASing the truck? Other then the loss in value. I don't plan on selling this for another 10 years, if ever. So resale value is a non issue for me. Is there anything else I should be worried about, or look futher into?

thanks guys. ...

 

Karlton documented it very well. Take a look at his Excel spread sheet.

Also keep in mind that I have 35's and have run Aftershock @ the Hammers and did Double Whammy in Moab. Both quite a feat. I have IFS.

It's the crawler, lockers and gears that matter the most.

http://www.members.cox.net/ktontacoma/index.htm

I would say, ARB RD90 and ORS hubs and start spankin if YOU have the skill.............................................

 

I went to his page but it said I do not have permission to access it.

yeah I know you did extremely well with IFS ... but this is just something I want to do. and if the cost are within budget, I'd like to get it done.

 

Listen to this GREAT advice!!!

 

Karlton spent $5500 in parts and $1500 in labor. I don't think you'll find the labor that cheap.

I'll e-mail you the excel doc.

 

WOW ... $5500 just in parts ... I was hoping to hear $2000 in parts, and a about $1500-1700 in labor.

thanks for the e-mail Steve

 

Check your mail. Now it you want to be cool on the internet and build a show truck..................

I can't help you I have Yokohama tires and IFS. I'm i-gay.

 

K-ton also used a front locRight , not an ARB.

 

I clicked on the download in the e-mail and it still wont' let me get it. I hate computers.

Yeah I want an ARB in the front as well.

I actually have to go to Cali for a class in the fall for 8 weeks. what would be nice is to get it done while I'm out there.

 

http://www.members.cox.net/k-ton/sas.htm

Try that. You want me to mail you a floppy?



Try sucking the file right from k-ton.

http://www.members.cox.net/fourbychef/SAS/Expenses.xls

 

Doing a SAS properly will cost you at least $6000, I've seen a few poorly done jobs, and if it isn't done right you'll be spending a lot of time and money fixing it.

One of the biggest problems I have with doing a SAS is the amount of lift you have to put in order to allow for suspension compression. I like to do a lot of side hilling, SAS'ed rigs have a much harder time with this and have a greater tendency to roll over.

 

out of the $6000, how much of that is parts. Also is that with a new axle or used wagoneer axle?

Is there a kit of parts somewhere out there. I remember reading of one company that was making it. But it seemed like all the parts wre not included.

 

Learn it, Live it, Know it. You need to make sure you'll be a Moab. Even better place for "Bruce Gone Wild" !!!

 

Via 44Runner's info - I had it all priced out to be just over $2700 in parts not including tires, locker, and gears. That included all the fab work on parts and a used waggy I got for $200. But throw in the tires, lockers, and gears -> $4k. That probablyd doesnt include all the random parts and whatnot you dont really know about till build time.

Get my roommate to do it for ya...he's moving back to DC area in December. Did his in 3 days all by himself. Twas a 1st gen though...he can fab up just about anything.

 

http://forums.delphiforums.com/tacom...s?msg=113689.1


there WILL be bugs to be fixed and YOU must know how a SFA works, how a D44 works and be able to troubleshoot problems that WILL happen.

i vote that you put down that checkbook, take a load off, relax and make yourself realize you dont need a SFA to go 4x4ing. then, ask yourself if you really need an ARB front locker? has there even been a time when an open front diff has prevented you from moving forward?

 

To me most of the fun would being able to do some/if not all of the work myself, the SAS that is, and learning how to fix the little bugs that pop up later, cause like RT says, there will be bugs in any type of open-ended scenario where a lot of your work is trial and error. Paying someone else to troubleshoot your rig is going to get $$$!!!

I say front ARB, regear, add a Marlin crawler, do some fender trimming and get 35" meats on that black knight and drive it until you can't anymore. I would think for what you are going to spend on an SAS you could do all that easily.

I just still think it would be easier to get a rig already OEM SAS rather than trial and error it, thus an 85 4Runner or PU.

Study hard!

 

I drove mine for the better part of 2-1/2 years everyday to work. Worked fine, it was just hard on tires w/ a full spool.

But.......The other disadvantage to SAS'n a rig is it eventual, inevitable decline from a daily driver to a trailer only trail rig.

After a few dozen runs on 4.5 rated trails, the truck seems to be a little bent here, twisted there, has bad vibrations from tweaked drive train compontents, and the body parts just kinda keep going away.........

I got back from the Hammer's w/ about $500.00 in damaged parts from one trail- bent the rear drive shaft, finished off the pinion bearings, smashed the inner wipers/seals on the drivers side knuckle, and twisted a rear axle shaft spline. It's the kind of damage I expect from a real trail. If it was a daily driver, your screwed- cause that's the kind of stuff you can't fix on Sunday after wheelin' on Saturday.

Oh yeah, cost wise, the $5000.00 to $6000.0 is a good starting point. I've now got about $11,000.00 into my rig- and it's worth about $800.00 at a salvage yard

 

I have done a # of SAS's to rigs and a few are still DD (one left for a 3300 mile trip 2 days after I got done with it)..

As for cost's, I am usually in the 1000-1200 ball park on the labor..

 

I have done several sas in my time. If done right they make great daily drivers. All of the ones I have done are double duty rigs. You drive em to the trail, spank everyone and drive home. A sas will handle just as good as IFS with the right set up. Crash is right on with labor cost. Just do some research. Listen to people you trust about what works and what doesn't. Educate yourself on all the details so that you can make the critical decesions required with a sas. Good luck.

 

You can already KILL 99% of the vehicles on the trails with the RD23 right now. Instead of spending $4k on SAS, spend $800 on an ARB RD90 with installation and whip 99.9% of the 4WD vehicles out there if it's THAT big of a deal to you... just my $0.02