You swap because you can, I agree. I just hate people bagging on IFS when they have been driving dirt roads.

I have completely lost faith in my equipment. I do not like wheeling my rig anymore because I am afraid the next break will be the big one, the one that cannot be limped off and fixed.

Personally, I helped with Steve's and would like to see Jeff's, but wouldn't do that to my rig if I had a 3rd Gen. Doing it right or nice takes time and bucks. Sure your uncle's cousin's brother's wife did a swap for 5 dollars, but I bet it was a piece of crap.

 

Would that be organic fertilizer?

 

Hmmmm

well, your closest to him, you would know.....

 

I guess that would make YOU the Queen, Mr. Hunt.

 

 

oh, most definitely of the organic, composted variety...

 

Well If I'm the King and Hunt is the Queen, you with the Tundra concept certainly qualify for the "Princess" status.

 

ouch... you know, just cause you dropped a second mortgage on that funky steel thing under the front of your runner doesn't mean that i still couldn't outwheel ya.. get that thing out here and let's hit tellico... you need to come have fun somewhere OTHER than the desert - east tennessee style...

 

you know steve has no idea what to do when there is mud. I don't have the infamous pic, but I am sure someone will be whipping it out shorty if this thread continues down this track...

 

In Steve's defense...looks like there was a little mud on the Rubicon

 

yeah, there was ton of mud on the con, under some moderately deep water.

 

I'm the Joker of the bunch!

Yep, the Rubicon was quite WET! I had passed by a few weeks prior to their event and drove through heavy rains and snow. Since I just finished another muddy run, I had no desire to do it again, besides at work I played in mud every day. I will be attending Marlins round-up in September, shoud be a better by then....

I like the direction SteveO is going with his SAS, but his choice of axle housing color has little-to-be-desired

cubuff4runner's rig, came out awesome.......


44Runner's did an excellent job on his and I can't figure out why nobody has purchased it yet???

RunnerUp, If you were smart, sell the 02 since that model year is one of the worst to SAS. If you really want to do the mods, buy 44Runner's rig and convert the rear suspension, so it flexes like the front.

With all that said, I can't see a reason to go SAS on a 3rd gen since they aren't even a decent base vehicle to start from. Personally I'd get a older Taco and convert it instead....... Better yet read my sig......

 

Now you just broke everyones hearts and dreams :cry: j/j

What makes it not a decent base vehicle..... heavy, weak frame, what else?

 

Where to start.......

The front section of the frame wasn't designed to handle the loading that is put onto it, when a leaf style SAS is done. Much of the bracing is cut out, but no additional support is installed afterwards. To do it properly, you'll need to plate the complete front half of the frame rail, which I don't see done. Many rigs that have gone SAS are now experiencing frame failures, BlingTaco needed some emergency welding on his Taco up in Big Bear, there were cracks all over the front half. I know Jason Demello had to add extensive bracing to his Taco after he did the coilover set-up. Now you add the additional weight of a 3rd gen 4Runner to the equasion, things will happen faster.

Going SAS will make trails that were difficult to do IFS easier, so you'll want to challenge yourself by trying much more difficult lines, unfortunately our rigs are way too top heavy to attempt the trails that many of my friends frequent with their truggies.

The work required to go SAS on a 3rd gen vs. 2nd gen is at least twice as much....

Even though I have the skills needed to do a SAS, I couldn't justify doing so much work for very little advantage. I'd rather start from scratch and build a buggy, that way I'd have that much more fun and not have to worry about body damage or rolling it. The clock is ticking on the SAS'ed 3rd gens to see who's gonna be the first to roll it......

cubuff4runner's rig rides on 37's which is the only reason I can see to go SAS, since the IFS can't handle that size tire, but it's use as a daily driver becomes limited. Personally I like the way my rig handles on the highway, but then again the "Cool" factor is priceless, so maybe we all should go SAS...

 

So pretty much, if you add a lot of extra bracing and support to the frame rails, chop off most of the roof to help with it being top heavy and put in a roll cage... your dandy!

 

My 3rd gen frame is much beefier than my 85's frame. SA frames are tiny up front granted there is less weight on them. I think most people are having problems on late model frames due to the extreme amount of undercutting found on the welds that hold the IFS brackets on. I know I had some but I have seen it BAD on other peoples frames. I cannot say this for sure as I have never seen one crack but my gut tells me that probably had something to do with it...


And on the subject of my truck....yeah, what the hell's up with that? lol

 

He daily drives his rig about 50 miles round trip. The 4Runner handles great on the highway, even at 75-80 mph.

 

In real life, the paint is actually Red. I don't know why the pictures seem to come out an off orange....

Yes, I know Red, why red?

Its a hot rig, so I figured red and green chili to compliment the hot rig of the southwest.....


I know, cheesy...

 

I am liking SteveO's SAS. I feel for the 3rd gen, coil springs are the way to go. I am hoping someone comes out with a weld on kit similar to All Pro's kit for the 86 - 95's. I used their SAS kit for my '89 pickup. I have the ability, but not to the extent of SteveO or some of the others.

Frame wise, I feel the 86 - 95 frames appeared to be more condusive for a leaf sprug solid axle. I agree, with an above post. The 79 - 85 frame is much smaller in comparison but has better angles for the live front axle. I thought several years ago there were a lot of problems with the 79 - 85 frames cracking just before the front hanger.

 

There are issues with the '05 Tacomas and sasing it. The 05 is totally fly by wire and was posing some issue's with where to pick up the speed senors since they are on all 4 wheels and not at the tranny or the transfer case. But with the help of some engineers and Toyota we should have that problem solved shortly.