GM Alternator details (please)
11-15-2005, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Tibbs
Guys, I think the problem here is that there is a "small" GM case and a "large" GM case for the alts. On a large the bolt holes are opposite of each other and on a small there are like 120 degrees apart. This might be the problem. Here is a pic of a large GM case. See how the mounting bolt holes are opposite. If this helps out let me know, because I will soon be in need of a new alt!
i understand about being reinforced. well, i dont really, but i think its irrelevant to what we're doing. im talking about the holes that the mounting bolts go through and they're postition on the 'circle' of the alternator.
compare this pic
to this
here they are together. try to imagine looking at them straight on. i rotated one of them so they are oriented the same. the red lines are an attempt to show the outline if looking from straight on rather than angle.
now compare that second one to your stock alt.
see how its mounting holes are directly across from eachother of the 'circle' of the body? THAT is what im talking about. the one you bought, the holes are off to one side, and thats why I THINK sticks out too far.
from here on is pure speculation as i have not tried it. if i am wrong, i'd prefer not to be called an idiot.
if you get one that has the same basic mounting shape as the stock, it will fit, with a few washers of course. the website even SAYS that this is the way to fit it. the alternator we're looking for was either made to fit non GM models, or there are a LOT of types of cs144 alternators. that would also explain why two junk yards verified you have a cs144. sure, you've got one. one out of however many were produced. yes its A cs144, no its not the cs144 that will fit for US.
11-15-2005, 07:50 PM
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Also, abotu the lack of the ability to mount...
The position of this point will move the alt towards the engine and away from the upper a-arm mount. It looks liek this might actually be a bolt on solution.
The position of this point will move the alt towards the engine and away from the upper a-arm mount. It looks liek this might actually be a bolt on solution.
11-15-2005, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by garrett1478
this is basically what i've been saying. i dont know a lot about gm alternators, but i do know that those holes are in different locations. im sorry if this is gonna come across as rude jay, but i just want to make sure we're on the same page. so im gonna try again.
i understand about being reinforced. well, i dont really, but i think its irrelevant to what we're doing. im talking about the holes that the mounting bolts go through and they're postition on the 'circle' of the alternator.
compare this pic
to this
here they are together. try to imagine looking at them straight on. i rotated one of them so they are oriented the same. the red lines are an attempt to show the outline if looking from straight on rather than angle.
now compare that second one to your stock alt.
see how its mounting holes are directly across from eachother of the 'circle' of the body? THAT is what im talking about. the one you bought, the holes are off to one side, and thats why I THINK sticks out too far.
from here on is pure speculation as i have not tried it. if i am wrong, i'd prefer not to be called an idiot.
if you get one that has the same basic mounting shape as the stock, it will fit, with a few washers of course. the website even SAYS that this is the way to fit it. the alternator we're looking for was either made to fit non GM models, or there are a LOT of types of cs144 alternators. that would also explain why two junk yards verified you have a cs144. sure, you've got one. one out of however many were produced. yes its A cs144, no its not the cs144 that will fit for US.
i understand about being reinforced. well, i dont really, but i think its irrelevant to what we're doing. im talking about the holes that the mounting bolts go through and they're postition on the 'circle' of the alternator.
compare this pic
to this
here they are together. try to imagine looking at them straight on. i rotated one of them so they are oriented the same. the red lines are an attempt to show the outline if looking from straight on rather than angle.
now compare that second one to your stock alt.
see how its mounting holes are directly across from eachother of the 'circle' of the body? THAT is what im talking about. the one you bought, the holes are off to one side, and thats why I THINK sticks out too far.
from here on is pure speculation as i have not tried it. if i am wrong, i'd prefer not to be called an idiot.
if you get one that has the same basic mounting shape as the stock, it will fit, with a few washers of course. the website even SAYS that this is the way to fit it. the alternator we're looking for was either made to fit non GM models, or there are a LOT of types of cs144 alternators. that would also explain why two junk yards verified you have a cs144. sure, you've got one. one out of however many were produced. yes its A cs144, no its not the cs144 that will fit for US.
11-15-2005, 08:35 PM
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more from that site...
i believe those are the cars that have what we need. 1 problem: i went on the autozone website to see if they have a replacement alternator for any of those given cars, and i got two results. a 6" diamter case and a 5.25" diamter case. more mystery....
Delco CS144 Series
140 Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 6-Groove Pulley
Used On:
(1996-94) Buick Roadmaster 5.7L
(1996-93) Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham (RWD) 5.7L
(1996-93) Chevrolet Caprice 4.3L, 5.7L
(1996-95) Chevrolet Impala 5.7L
(1995-92) Chevrolet Lumina APV Van 3.8L
(1995-92) Oldsmobile Silhouette 3.8L
(1995-92) Pontiac Trans Sport 3.8L
140 Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 6-Groove Pulley
Used On:
(1996-94) Buick Roadmaster 5.7L
(1996-93) Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham (RWD) 5.7L
(1996-93) Chevrolet Caprice 4.3L, 5.7L
(1996-95) Chevrolet Impala 5.7L
(1995-92) Chevrolet Lumina APV Van 3.8L
(1995-92) Oldsmobile Silhouette 3.8L
(1995-92) Pontiac Trans Sport 3.8L
11-15-2005, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DrBeau
Also, abotu the lack of the ability to mount...
The position of this point will move the alt towards the engine and away from the upper a-arm mount. It looks liek this might actually be a bolt on solution.
The position of this point will move the alt towards the engine and away from the upper a-arm mount. It looks liek this might actually be a bolt on solution.
11-16-2005, 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 98LimitedCustomized
Well hopefully I'll get 'er back tomorrow and we can figure this out.... I know I bolted mine in, and my receipt says it's a 144... My recommendation of walking into a place and talking to a guy who works with these things day in and day out didn't set too well... I've got just the guy in town here and he happens to have his shop less than a mile away from the body shop... but I'll get some pics taken and see if I can't find a number on the casing... For how easy it was I'd like it to be common knowledge.
11-16-2005, 09:29 PM
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Slightly off-topic. I've been missing something for a long time now reading yall complaining about stock alts.
All of us v6 Toyota car owners simply swap our 80/90 amp units for the 130amp highlander alt. It's plug & play for us so in theory it should work for yall.
Why don't yall try that if you just need an upgrade. Also if you're up to it there are two size pullies. The post '97's have a smaller pulley (spins the same alt faster).
For whatever reason Toyota thought the v6 gen4 Camry platforms would need more low rpm power (That's a joke on so many levels!).
All of us v6 Toyota car owners simply swap our 80/90 amp units for the 130amp highlander alt. It's plug & play for us so in theory it should work for yall.
Why don't yall try that if you just need an upgrade. Also if you're up to it there are two size pullies. The post '97's have a smaller pulley (spins the same alt faster).
For whatever reason Toyota thought the v6 gen4 Camry platforms would need more low rpm power (That's a joke on so many levels!).
11-17-2005, 06:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Toysrme
Slightly off-topic. I've been missing something for a long time now reading yall complaining about stock alts.
All of us v6 Toyota car owners simply swap our 80/90 amp units for the 130amp highlander alt. It's plug & play for us so in theory it should work for yall.
Why don't yall try that if you just need an upgrade. Also if you're up to it there are two size pullies. The post '97's have a smaller pulley (spins the same alt faster).
For whatever reason Toyota thought the v6 gen4 Camry platforms would need more low rpm power (That's a joke on so many levels!).
All of us v6 Toyota car owners simply swap our 80/90 amp units for the 130amp highlander alt. It's plug & play for us so in theory it should work for yall.
Why don't yall try that if you just need an upgrade. Also if you're up to it there are two size pullies. The post '97's have a smaller pulley (spins the same alt faster).
For whatever reason Toyota thought the v6 gen4 Camry platforms would need more low rpm power (That's a joke on so many levels!).
11-17-2005, 11:12 AM
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but... you said look into a 97??? uhm, highlanders = 01 and up
and about the 2 models, have at trying it... i didn't have time.
i wouldn't be comfortable with it being 1/8 away from the dipstick and an 1/8 away from the upper control arm... who cares if it bolts in lol
and about the 2 models, have at trying it... i didn't have time.
i wouldn't be comfortable with it being 1/8 away from the dipstick and an 1/8 away from the upper control arm... who cares if it bolts in lol
11-17-2005, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by crappled
but... you said look into a 97??? uhm, highlanders = 01 and up
11-17-2005, 01:01 PM
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I just checked one of the parts sites I found in google, the tundra/t100/tacoma/4runner all had 70amp alternators. The 01 V6 4wd Higllander has a 130amp one. Also one of the guys in that tacoma thread says they used an 130amp 05 tacoma alternator.
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/foru...read.php?t=1043
http://www.tacomaterritory.com/foru...read.php?t=1043
11-17-2005, 01:45 PM
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11-17-2005, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by crappled
repost the link, it got ...'ed =)
oh and the remaned ones are $340 wtf?!?!
oh and the remaned ones are $340 wtf?!?!
