What do you not like about the pedal feel without the return spring?

 

On a side note, my slave cylinder does make some noise sometimes when depressing the clutch pedal.

You are sure it is from the slave cylinder and not the clutch housing?

 

It may just be the fact that Toyota's have always seemed kind of vague to me. I still haven't gotten used to the hydraulics, I'm used to the old school cable clutch.

Back on track, the pedal seemed to do absolutely nothing for the first inch or so w/o the spring. But honestly, I just drove it again with and w/o the spring and there is really so little difference that it is almost not noticeable.

 

I would just like to say that Unhappy is a friggin genius.

 

Thank you. Toyota made me into one.

dragr - Yes, cable clutch linkage has a more positive feel, but they end up binding when the pivot points get worn or rusty. Hydraulic clutches are simply vague by nature. In either case, you should have somewhere around 0.6 to 0.8 inches of pedal free play. Any more than this and it will surely feel like crap.

 

Yeah it does feel better after I replaced the clutch and readjusted it to spec, before that it was terrible.

 

has anyone done this on a 95 and under model? Also, with all this spring adding and taking away, I'm a bit lost. In Bob's write up, he took the the spring out of the clutch pedal assembly, replace the bushing, reinstalled the spring and put everything back together. With the Unhappy mod, is that the spring everyones getting rid of, or replacing with the #70 or similar spring or did I read it wrong? I haven't looked at my clutch assembely, so I'm lost for visual images and references.

 

I just did mine, 98 4runner, It took me 45 seconds to pry the stock torsion spring out using a screwdriver. Did not install any lenear spring either. I like the shifting better now, feels a little "close ratio" for me at least.

So, I am am driving with NO Springs at all, no torsion, no linear anywhere around the clutch pedal.

Thanks unhappy for the write up.

 

Bump to follow up with the original posters to see what their experiences have been since their installs. How's everything holding up? Anyone have the squeaking sound return? Thanks.

 

No squeaking sound has returned. Just leave that bushing off.

 

After 2.5 years that annoying squeak is just a hazy memory.

 

go with no spring at all. springs are lame.

 

Hmmm, if not for this post resurrection I might not have remembered why I took it out in the first place.

 

Thanks so much, this fix rocks! My 02 taco has been creaking for a couple weeks. Picked up the #70 spring for $3.75 and it works like a charm! I had to work around an existing alarm box that was in the desired spring path. Other than that not too much hasle other than some minor cursing at the big spring. This mod is worth it for weight savings alone! I also prefer the clutch feel with the linear spring.

One thing I did notice is the center metal arm that held the OEM spring barley makes contact with the new spring as the clutch is depressed. I may take the dremmel to that eventually, but it doesn't seem to affect it at all.

Now to investigate the squeak outside of the cab...

 

My squeak has been going for a year now. I need to get goin!

 

This spring replacement plan rocks! I did it last weekend after replacing the clutch, p. plate, throwout brg.

No more squeaky spring!

 

I noticed the interference with the center metal arm. It doesn't make me happy - but I'm probably too lazy to go remedy the situation. As stated above - removal of the lower panel is not required - but would have been helpful for handspace.

Interesting note - I apparently had two squeaks going on. Bushing wear was #1. #2 was due to a loose nut - see below.

 

i cut the metal arm w/ a dremel cutting disk. its irreversable, of course

 

I used a diegrinder with a cutoff wheel, zip no interferance.

 

Once again I am in debt to the huge knowledgebase here at Yotatech! Squeeking was driving me crazy, and I wasn't looking forward to taking everything apart to replace bushings. This fix was super easy, effective, and I was done before the first beer was finished! Thanks again!