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1996 4Runner Straight Axle Conversion Web Cam - March 15, 2006

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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 04:02 AM
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also, the limited's have multi-mode and the speedo is tied into the ABS system, so unless you have an ABS front axle, you're SOL. plus, since Lance has a 2001, he has ATRAC and all that other electronic gizmo stuff.

i'm definitely tuning in for that one. too bad i don't have another week of vacation to burn. if i did, steve would have an apprentice to help with that one...

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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 05:07 AM
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WOW, since Steve figured this thing out, everyone' jumping on board. I'm anxious to see Lance's swap since he had the LTD flares.
He's coming for one of the last bumpers and some other stuff. No SAS as we have not figured out for sure how to deal with the 2001-2002 computer. Removing it is not an option it is too deep.
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by amorphous
..the 4runner unlimited?
Sort of, I have a 110 wheelbase, you guys have 106.
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
Sort of, I have a 110 wheelbase, you guys have 106.
yulp, just enuff extra when ya need it! Might smooth out the highway ride a bit, i'm assuming?

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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 06:51 AM
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Now that I have dealt with the old ladys gripes, I'm off to work on it.

Today we plate the frame rails and hopefully install the steering box and shock towers.
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
He's coming for one of the last bumpers and some other stuff. No SAS as we have not figured out for sure how to deal with the 2001-2002 computer. Removing it is not an option it is too deep.
I haven't stopped researching it but I am not optimistic that there is a way to make it happen. I am not too concerned about it since I still want to push my IFS. If I throw a straight axle on anything in the future, it will probably be my wife's Tacoma.

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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 10:21 AM
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I haven't stopped researching it but I am not optimistic that there is a way to make it happen. If I throw a straight axle on anything it will probably be my wife's Tacoma.
Is there a separate thread about this? I would like to know more about what doesnt let it work?

Thanks
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 10:34 AM
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ATRAC, VSC, ABS, MULTIMODE, etc. name your poison...

here's one for starters... https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f88/cost-sasing-02-runner-34454/

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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bighead
I haven't stopped researching it but I am not optimistic that there is a way to make it happen. I am not too concerned about it since I still want to push my IFS. If I throw a straight axle on anything in the future, it will probably be my wife's Tacoma.
You'll stop researching it once I tell you the labor cost.
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Old Mar 22, 2006 | 09:26 PM
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ATRAC, VSC, ABS, MULTIMODE, etc. name your poison...

here's one for starters... https://www.yotatech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34454
That's a Tacoma. Not the same and K-Ton had some frame failure as well as stock AMC axles and a loc right.

When I do a swap there are no CEL's, nothing that did not work as it did before and even the 4WD light works.

You will loose ABS, this is just the way it is.


Anyway, today I got the drivers side plated inside and out, I drilled and welded in the drivers side shock tower sleeves. First thing in the morning I drill and weld in the steering box sleeves.

Once that is done I start on the passenger side and pale that inside and out with 25+ plug welds in addition to welding the edges.

I am certain that is will be my last 3rd Gen SAS as the project is seriously taking a toll on me. It is a huge amount of work.
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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 03:21 AM
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Fab work is rough on old men.

Looking good...

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Old Mar 23, 2006 | 04:47 PM
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That's it for today.

Both frame rails are plated with 3/16", inside and outside. Ford shock towers are installed with 2 through the frame sleeves and 2 Grade 8 1/2" bolts @ 100 ft/lb. as well as welded the typical way.

By putting the sleeves in the frame and using the bolts as the main point of attachment you use them the same way Ford did. Although Ford used 1/2" smash rivets, much like Toyota used on the FJ's.

Next up is mount the steering box, which today I discovered is an FJ-60 not a 62. Does not really matter, they work the same, you just need to know what you have, if you ever need service, I informed the customer that he has an FJ-60 box. Only real difference it the 62 box has the bolts offset and the 60 box has them in a perfect rectangle, that's it.

The 80 box has them offset and is considerably larger; the IFS box only has 3 bolt holes, only 2 through the frame itself. FJ boxes have 4 through the frame.

After the steering box which should take ½ a day, I swap the oil pan for the 2WD T100 pan.

Then my friends, we are finally ready to install an axle.

Oh yeah, no SAS work tomorrow, I going to take a break. Work and webcam will be back on Monday. I have till the 31st booked so I’m doing fine for staying on track.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 06:22 AM
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Today, Monday is mount the steering box, swap the oil pan and weld on the steering stabalizer stud and brake line brackets.

No webcam today as it looks like rain. Tomorrow the leafs and axle goes on and that's the part I'm sure you all want to see.
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Old Mar 27, 2006 | 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
I am certain that is will be my last 3rd Gen SAS as the project is seriously taking a toll on me. It is a huge amount of work.
Hire some temporary labor. You pay them 8-10 bucks an hour and collect the rest.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 06:54 AM
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Ok yesterday I drilled the eight 3/4" holes, thrill a minute. Put the fame sleeves in and welded them in place, so the steering box mount is done, I added the brake line tabs, bump stop pads on the frame and steering stabalizer mount.

I also swaped out the oil pan for the 2WD T100 3.4 pan.

So now I have what you all wish you could buy. A 3rd Gen SA frame with all mounting brackets. Don't even go there saying I should make such a thing. Yeah it would be great and make for easy SAS's but I'm not interested.

Today the leaf springs, axle and steering box all bolt right up. Everything will be done but the steering shaft to the wheel, brake system and pluming the PS system.

I'll run the web cam today, since there is actually stuff to see.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Albuquerque Jim
Hire some temporary labor. You pay them 8-10 bucks an hour and collect the rest.
People are paying for me to do the work. I must do the work as that is what they are paying for.

After this I will have exact numbers for everything, and I really don't see too many customers being able to step up to the finical end of this.

Which is a good thing, I really don't want everyone to have a truck like mine, I prefer it to be the only one or a very few others, It's neat having something different.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by sschaefer3
People are paying for me to do the work. I must do the work as that is what they are paying for.

After this I will have exact numbers for everything, and I really don't see too many customers being able to step up to the finical end of this.

Which is a good thing, I really don't want everyone to have a truck like mine, I prefer it to be the only one or a very few others, It's neat having something different.
I understand all of your points. I am in the same situation, but a different industry.

I will send you some more thoughts via e-mail as to not hyjack this thread.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 04:47 AM
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Axle is on and the truck is back on all 4 tires.

All that's left is steering shaft from the box to the column, plumb the PS, install shocks, remove the ABS brake system and install the standard 2WD base brake system.

I'm taking today off as yesterday was a rough one. Back at it on Thursday.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 06:28 AM
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 06:33 AM
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work of art. i want one. i'll pay you in fat tire.

day off? are you feeling your age or sumpin'???

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