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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 04:53 PM
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yeah, i'll take another look at it.

also, in the haynes manual circuit diagram, it shows a "charge" fuse (7.5 amps). i can't find any other reference to it.
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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 05:03 PM
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Wire to the bulb is bad? Take a look at the wiring diagram in the FSM and work backwards from the bulb.

http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/1993/body.../6combinat.pdf
http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/1993/charging/2onvehicl.pdf
6. INSPECT DISCHARGE WARNING LIGHT CIRCUIT
(a) Turn the ignition switch ON. Check that the discharge
warning light is lit.
(b) Start the engine. Check that the light goes off.
If the light does not operate as specified, troubleshoot the
warning light circuit.

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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 05:04 PM
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And you check continuity on all the lines from the alt? Check pin connections. Could be corroded wires? And I mean inside the jacket not just the end, check resistance.
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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 05:11 PM
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i'll bust out the dmm later this weekend. i'll be working on the trailer tomorrow and saturday. good suggestion, rb.
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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 05:19 PM
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Does this help locate the fuse?

http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/1993/body.../2powersou.pdf

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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 05:23 PM
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yes and no. thanks.

i now know that i do not have a charge fuse. great. time to look at the schematic one more time, again...
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Old Apr 5, 2012 | 09:00 PM
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Oy vey! lol.... Sorry for the voltage issues... but if anyone I know is bound to find it quick..........it's you, Ian.... Still, SUX! lol.

I found a place this last week that told me to bring them an MR2 Alternator from Pick-Your-Part and they'll restore it and get it to put out 120A for 80$....... Plug and play... I think that's pretty good, no? lol.

You just reminded me that I need to double check my 4WD light in my dash..... I'm not sure it's working, although it did work after the conversion to Manual Hubs... Anyway, thanks for posting this, it's got me wanting to dig into a couple things/rewire more than I was during the Fuse Block install.
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by irab88
yeah, i know. this wouldn't be yotatech without someone pointing out the obvious



'tis bad practice. the alternator needs a reference voltage to be able to run correctly. without the battery, there is none other than the alternator itself. if the alternator puts out anything higher than what is regulated, the voltage will climb out of control (frying anything in it's path)


I suggested to disconnect the alternator..... I think you think I said to disconnect the battery...
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 08:32 AM
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yep. i re-read. d'oh!

i can try it, but i doubt it'll have any effect other than running the truck on battery alone. (at least it's easy to do with my bus-bar setup!)

thanks
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 08:35 AM
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I threw you off with the burned bulb
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 08:44 AM
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haha, yup
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 09:18 AM
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so i just did a quick check with the voltmeter.

(key in "on" position)

c3 is getting positive at the plug like it should. c4 should be connected to ground, but there's no continuity to a tested ground spot. that means the issue lies somewhere between the plug and alternator. although it's rather hard to track down without a "charge" fuse

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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 09:23 AM
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So what's the plan? You going to fish through all that and add a 'charge fuse'? (Sorry if that's a dumb question.... I'm still learning on the electrical stuff............And, well, I'm so overwhelmed with life at this moment that I'm forgetting over half of what I learn while I'm trying to absorb the 'next step' of the electrical process! hahhahaaha)....

You'll get it, Ian... But, sorry for the drama, it's always sucky, lol.
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 09:42 AM
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i'm looking through all the wiring diagrams i can find, and based on this one, it should be a straight shot to the alternator. so i either have a bad wire, bad connection, or bad alternator regulator. now taking bets!

for reference. i'm looking through it right now...
http://www.ncttora.com/fsm/1990-1995...es/wiring.html
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 09:59 AM
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here's what i tested. i'm going to check the continuity of the yellow wire, from 4B to the alternator at L


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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 10:17 AM
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I'm guessing Regulator.... But I don't WANT it to be that as I guess it could reek havoc? Surge? Anyway, I guess fishing through the harness isn't always 'WEEEEEEEE FUNNNN', either, right? lol.

Time to get fishin, eh?
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 10:29 AM
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aaaand done.

regulator.

so now it's time to get a new one (either alternator or regulator). thanks to rb for the dmm suggestion/reminder.
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 10:33 AM
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Wait, ......I actually guessed correctly? hahaha. Glad you found it quick. Did you grab a NEW or used Alt. when you slapped that GM in?
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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 10:50 AM
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edit: bought it new... hmmm...

and for anyone wondering, here's the diagram of all the measurements i took to chase it down.

from top to bottom:
•voltage from bulb positive to ground (ruled out ignition fuse circuit)
•voltage across bulb (first test, determined there was no power to the bulb)
•resistance from bulb negative to ground (ruled out the combination meter)
•resistance from bulb negative to "L" terminal on alternator (ruled out wiring)

that left me with the alternator (circuit) as the only culprit


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Old Apr 6, 2012 | 11:43 AM
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"Good deductions, Holmes!".... lol. Man, I need to head to SCROC and take Auto Electrical and Welding classes!!!! lol.
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