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Old Mar 28, 2011 | 11:34 AM
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As always your attention to detail is awesome

Almost hate to see the King of IFS wheeling go SA
A sad loss indeed.
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 04:20 AM
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Have you started messing with the rear at all yet?
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 11:54 AM
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Almost hate to see the King of IFS wheeling go SA
Pretty sure everyone feels this way! Haha! Looks like your coming alonsg nicley!
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ocdropzone
As always your attention to detail is awesome

Almost hate to see the King of IFS wheeling go SA
Thanks man. Yeah, I know its a big change, but one I hope will be for the better.

I had no issue with the IFS, but there were a lot of things I learned over the years and through my build that I wanted to implement into the truck, but would be stuck redoing. This opportunity plopped in my lap, so I went for it. The SA was a bonus due to already having the axle and the built diff coming up for sale for so cheap.

I'm still all about the IFS. I think it is a great system and can easily be modified for 95% of trails out there and be reasonably reliable up to a 35" tire.

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A sad loss indeed.
LOL>

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Have you started messing with the rear at all yet?
No. I will finish as much of the front as possible before moving to the rear. So far, I have an axle (97 runner to help with the new width in the front), coil springs (full set of FJ80 springs...I'll see what fits best and has an appropriate spring rate), a diff ( my 8" rear ARB out of the 87), and that's it. It will be a 4 link and beyond that, I haven't done any more thinking.

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Pretty sure everyone feels this way! Haha! Looks like your coming alonsg nicley!
thanks!
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Old Mar 29, 2011 | 09:26 PM
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Super frustrating finale to the weekend. Spent a bunch of time on wedding things, and misc house work that ate into truck time.

Also, managed to fry a GFCI box by overloading the circuit. Turns out, these things are POS's. Ah well, took me FOREVER to figure that out, but once I did, I was back in action.

I picked up a new air compressor, as the craftsman was putting out tons of water= quick destruction of electrodes and tips on the plasma= no go. Got a 30 gal belt drive, and a better drier. MUCH BETTER, and much quieter.

I also picked up Miller's new Mobile Arcstation. This thing is sweet. Great welding table with notches for clamps, and folds up to fit into an already over stuffed garage:






Yesterady I got all of the old xmember brackets cut off, as well as the torsion bar mounts. Took a long time, and managed to get a nice slag burn through my double wall carharts, just below where my leather's stop. That resulted in some clenched teeth and hopping around (on my back) , which resulted in a smack of the head into the transfercase output, which resulted in howling and cursing. Not one of my finest moments, but, alas, I topped it today.

Anyway, after I got everything cut off and gouged out, I only had a few minutes of grinding, and then a few minutes with a stripping disk to clean the frame.

Today I got my invitations addressed (amazingly there are now INNER envelopes to label. And I thought cars had a lot of parts. I do what I'm told.).

I ALSO got my frame plates cut out, and the crossmember brackets made up. Now I need to position everything, and drill the brackets and crossmember:





All 1/4". They will be further braced and gusseted later.

I've been practicing a bit. Still need to get stand off control down. I move the arc in and and out too much.

Here are a few of the sorta better ones:











I mentioned that I topped the back dance/head smack today. I lit myself on fire. Yep. I was tacking things into place under the truck and focusing on keeping the measurements correct, when I started to feel warm. I ignored it. Then I started to feel hot. I thought I was too close to my halogen work lamp, so I lifted up my helmet, and realized that my left hip was on fire. I got it out, but it burned through my carharts, the pocket and blackened my boxer shorts. WAY to close to the family jewels for comfort, and it looks like a nice sunburn now.

Note to self: WEAR LEATHERS EVEN IF TACKING THINGS INTO PLACE.

So, a sucky weekend with not much done and two painful incidents.
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Old Apr 10, 2011 | 10:05 PM
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sooo How goes it?
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Old Apr 21, 2011 | 12:09 PM
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It is going well. I am redoing some things and will have some more updates shortly.
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Old Apr 24, 2011 | 08:16 PM
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Had a fairly productive weekend. I picked up a 4'x4' piece of 1/4" plate, which I can barely lift, but managed to get situated on my floor so I could cut pieces from it.

I then began building the rear crossmember of my subframe. It will bolt to the frame using 1/2" hardware, through the frame.

This took almost the whole weekend, but it was worth it. I built two frame attachment brackets, and then tacked this monster up:





I know it isn't the best form to grind welds smooth, but I needed good, flat surfaces to mount brackets and the like to, so I smoothed everything out to keep it easy to weld brackets to. I beveled all the edges, so the welds sat in nice and deep, giving me plenty of weld left to hold everything together.

Here it is under the truck:









My dilemma is whether or not to sleeve the frame. On the one hand, it will keep the frame from having any issues with compression from the bolts, but I think the 1/4" plate will take care of that. Because of the flush mount on the brackets holding this thing down, I will need to smooth out any welding done, meaning that the lateral strength of the sleeves won't be that good. I've got some reading to do.
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Old Apr 24, 2011 | 08:46 PM
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May I ask what you paid for the sheet of metal? I have been trying to buy something like that here, but the price of steel is outrageous locally these days.
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Old Apr 24, 2011 | 09:03 PM
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180. I'm in the same boat. I shopped around for weeks. Finally had to swallow the bitter pill and fork over the cash. It was worth it, but yeah, hard to swallow.
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Old Apr 24, 2011 | 09:21 PM
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Local shop here wanted 250. They basically are trying to charge for the whole sheet 4x8 sheet and then just chop you off your piece. Almost worth it to just order the whole sheet so they can't do that. I think MAYBE the trick is to ask for a quote on a 4x8 sheet before a 4x4 sheet. Haven't tried that yet, but might just work.
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Old Apr 24, 2011 | 09:51 PM
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Lookin good as always. Are ya gonna have it ready for the Jambo? I would love to see this thing in person after the SAS. Where did you go for the steel? I usually use Den Col off of Washington and I70.
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Old Apr 25, 2011 | 07:06 AM
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Lookin good as always. Are ya gonna have it ready for the Jambo? I would love to see this thing in person after the SAS. Where did you go for the steel? I usually use Den Col off of Washington and I70.
I'm not sure when it will be done. I'm pretty new to fabrication, so it takes me a long time to get things right, and because of that, I am WAY behind where I thought I'd be. Its just plain slow. I'd love to have it done by the Jambo.

I normally go to K&K surplus, but I have been pretty slammed at work, so I stopped by Armor Steel up in boulder where I work.
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Old May 2, 2011 | 09:13 PM
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Lots of work, not much to show for it.

Got the frame drilled, and sleeved. That took a long time. Getting everything lined up properly, and then getting the bolts to go through. Takes forever.

Picked up a second grinder to avoid having to undo disks to change what I'm doing. I also started using a 7" flap disk on my grinder. I LOVE it. Those big flap disks last a LOT longer, and really rip through material when you need to.

Got the crossmember welded to the frame brackets. Starting to get a bit better on some of the welds. Some are less consistent than others.

Here's a better one:



After that, I got the front mounts welded up, and tacked up to the frame. I then cut out, and began working on, connecting pieces, that will form the subframe. The lower front link mounts will tie into the front of these (which is why they are hanging down), and the skid plate will attach to all of this, and the transfercase mounts.

Couple of shots of where it sits:







And a shot of how things are starting to look underneath the frame. Not a flat belly, but should be plenty smooth for sliding over stuff.

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Old May 2, 2011 | 09:18 PM
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Nice, I really would like a second grinder, and a flexshaft. I burnt a dremel up on my last project
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Old May 3, 2011 | 04:06 PM
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Yah, more tools is always better.
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Old Jun 25, 2011 | 04:07 PM
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Back at it again after a month or so.

Anyway, I started mocking up my links. And, figured out that I was going to have to change the design a bit again.

Anyway, here is how things are going:



I've tried two different set ups on the passenger side and driver side. One is higher than the axle center line, the other just lower. Obviously, the higher gives better roll axis numbers, but they still aren't great.

Driver side:





Passenger side:





Obviously, either way will require a frame notch. I think I can make that work pretty well.

This is where the upper sits. It should clear the motor mount/motor when flexed, but we'll see.



Anyway, some more pondering to do.

This is the calculator for a set up with the driverside dimensions:



The panhard here isn't correct, but just put in there. The actual numbers will come once I get the steering box figured out. Hopefully some of that tomorrow.
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Old Jun 26, 2011 | 09:08 AM
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steering arms mounted on the bottom and to the reverse...hmmmmm I sense some master scheme here. interesting...5th stud mod too? Please explain the theory behind this plan.
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Old Jun 26, 2011 | 09:36 AM
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Nice work on that crossmember! Great work as always!!
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Old Jun 26, 2011 | 08:27 PM
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steering arms mounted on the bottom and to the reverse...hmmmmm I sense some master scheme here. interesting...5th stud mod too? Please explain the theory behind this plan.
Sorry? I'm not following that one? Those are the stock 80 arms in the pic there, that are just holding the trunion bearings in until I get my new knuckles from Hellfire. These are mock up knuckles, so there are plates welded up top to simulate the new high steer for this axle.

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Nice work on that crossmember! Great work as always!!
Thanks!
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