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Old Mar 7, 2011 | 09:48 PM
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one day im going to make a 67 4door long bed


sounds like you have a strange problem going on hope you are able to figure it out
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 12:57 PM
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ok, posted after those two posts lol. it was weird, it just came out of nowhere. the wheel would all of a sudden jerk mostly to the left, not really to the right. i would have to be physically holding the wheel with two hands so it wouldnt drift into the other lane, or jerk over there. the truck usually pulls to the right a little bit, but it would pull to the left pretty hard
sitting still, it doesnt seem any different to me. when im driving, the jerks would make the steering seem easier, but getting it back over would be hard, if that makes any sense? lol.
Hey HB, HOWZIT, BRAH? lol.....

Ok, now that I've read your explanation(more details), I have to say that it's very much sounding like a brake issue, as mentioned might be possible by many.(I was, really, throwing out info for ya based on your basic description, initially). That DOES NOT mean you are 'issue free' with your steering, but brakes are equally if not more dangerous to have 'issues' with,....so maybe just check for "flow" in the steering reservoir, for now, and then move on to the brakes(turn the wheel lock to lock while you watch flow, seeing if it seriously decreases as you lock/turn one way or the other. As you're turning, pressure is allowed to increase by leaps and bounds, until you hit lock, where it's actually engaging an internal feature that stops it from jerking the wheel out of your hands when you are wheeling/hit a curb, etc.---the pump/box maintain a pressure that can stop the wheel from yanking back the other way as easily..... IOW, if you didn't have any power steering, it would jerk the wheel right out of your hands{or worse, cause you to flip/wreck}, as you struck something with the tire that wanted the tire to go the opposite direction..... {The FSM's and some tutorials explain these 'vanes', etc., and what they do/how they work}..)

Brakes, if you follow the FSM instructions, are fairly simple to diagnose between the Master Cyl., wheel cyl's, Calipers..... I replaced EVERYTHING, as mine had never been maintained well. I maybe should have rebuild the OEM Calipers, but I did get Altrom, I believe(I think they're made by Aisin) and they weren't exactly 'cheapo', lol. Same with the Wheel Cyl's in the rear, new drums and rotors, good pads/shoes, ........but I STILL haven't replaced the Master, which I need to do! hahaha. Thanks for reminding me, buddy! lol.

Pulling one way, involuntarily, to the left like that? Sounds like your Driver side Caliper is locking up, ....but WHY/IF that's the case? I know it's not AS likely, and might have been mentioned(sorry if I missed it), but what about wheel bearings? I've had a 70 CST Blazer 4wd/4Bolt Main 350 - 4spd(yeah, I was a DORK for selling it, ...had to pay for college, ya know?, lol)....and when the wheel bearing was going on the passenger side, it would get so hot that it locked up the right wheel, intermittently, and nearly drove me off the road, lol.

Any thoughts on that, guys? (now I'll probably read back and post a blushing smiley, IF I missed that, haha)>

PS> Thanks 4RunRFreak(?),..... appreciate it, but I'm just learning, and I figure, "why not share what happened to me?" hahaha. Make sure your Pop's does a good Process Of Elimination and makes CERTAIN he doesn't chase his tail or throw parts at it, yeah? lol.... I'm sure he knows better, .....but don't ask me how I learned that very hard lesson, k? hahaha.
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by xxxtreme22r
whether this is accurate or not I don't know, but what I would do is when it wants to pull, tap on the brakes semi hard and release and see if it still wants to pull as hard. Also check your pads/shoes right versus left.

Also when it's not wanting to pull you can ride the brake a little maybe half travel on the brake pedal and take your hands off the wheel (but not too far and not in traffic!!!) and if it pulls then you know for sure something is up with the brakes, whether it be worn pads or sticking calipers/drums.
BTW, YES, mine is pulling to the left at a very limited speed/braking ratio. 10-20mph or so, ....when I get to a slower speed, VOILA, it stops. Doesn't seem to happen at higher speeds, either. Hmmmm, and both my discs and pairs of pads look great, no leaking, .......I'd better figure this out, eh HB, XXX? haha. However, my steering is Juicy-Juice smooth now!(even with a new box though,...it's STILL pulling to the left,....might just be the brakes, eh?) hahaha.
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 01:05 PM
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PS> Here's a pic of my Baby in the late 90's, ....MAN I miss that truck!!!! >>>>

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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 04:27 PM
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wow, beautiful chevy chef! always wanted one of those. ok back to the problem. i am fairly certain it is the brakes now, because i took it out for a little drive today (in an empty parking lot) to see what it would do. well it started doing it again. so, i decided to lock the brakes up a few times. got going, then slammed the pedal and yanked the e-brake. well, this made it go away for a bit. but then it would come back again. leading me to believe it is a bad caliper? or a bad MC? man i hope its not the wheel bearings chef, that would suck! lol. any thoughts on this guys?
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 04:35 PM
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MC wouldn't cause the truck to pull so eliminate that. Hae you looked at your pads and shoes yet ?
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Old Mar 8, 2011 | 04:38 PM
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no, im not around the truck very much this week. but i get to it as much as i can next time im over there i will.
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Old Mar 9, 2011 | 09:39 AM
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Chef- Sweet truck you had in the '90s man, On that FJ40 i was talkin about earlier He took it into the shop and had a 4 way alignment done (bad idea in the first place) and they did not tighten the steering stabilizer. Drove 15miles to pick up some metal for a bumper. BENT THE RELAY ROD INTO A U!!!!!. So it messed up relay rod, stabilizer, and gear box. thanks for reminding me to check the power steering pump to cuz it vibrate like theres not tomorrow.

87- Don't know if this will make much difference but when you check the pads and shoes put a measuring caliper to four-six spots on the rotors and drums that way you can check to see if they are warped doubt that would make it pull any though.
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Old Mar 9, 2011 | 09:42 AM
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BTW Sombody needs to get Chef his Degree from the School of hard knocks.
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Old Mar 9, 2011 | 09:45 AM
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ok i will check that out. the local mechanic here said that it is probably a bad caliper locking up every now and then. ill probably go new brakes all 4 wheels because i have been needing them anyways
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Old Mar 9, 2011 | 09:47 AM
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if your gonna get new calipers/rotors etc etc, look into the "v6" caliper upgrade while your at it. Not sure with all you need, but I think it's as simple as using the v6 calipers and rotors, but don't quote me on that. Then if you haven't already, 1" master and dual booster.
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Old Mar 9, 2011 | 09:47 AM
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sounds like a plan probably would save you a lot of hassle in the end just getting new brakes all the way around. If you do the brakes yourself Just a friendly reminder to pump the brake pedal a few times I found that out the hard way Ooops.....
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Old Mar 9, 2011 | 09:49 AM
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I think you are right with the just using V6 Calipers and rotors xxxtreme22r, I have heard that too
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Old Mar 9, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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i will probably get the local mechanic to do the brakes, as that is the one thing on the truck that i want to be in perfect working order. i will also look into the v6 upgrade.
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Old Mar 10, 2011 | 06:03 AM
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I bet that once you get those calipers, pads, and shoes replaced everything will go back to normal. I forget do all '87s have disc brakes in the front and drums in the rears?
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Old Mar 10, 2011 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by 4runFreak
I bet that once you get those calipers, pads, and shoes replaced everything will go back to normal. I forget do all '87s have disc brakes in the front and drums in the rears?
Far as I know, YEP! .....and, ...."hard knocks U" indeed! ....Trust me, you have no idea, 4Run! hahaha. However, that's a story for another time! lol.......

Hey there, My HillBilly CA Brother! lol;

I MIGHT be doing the V6 Upgrade as well, HB. There's a great thread in here, with all you'd need to do the swap. However, that bookmark is on my PC, .....I'm on the Laptop. So, if you've not found it after a bit of searching, PM me and I'll shoot it to ya(gotta remind the old codger, ....I'm a bit overwhelmed lately! Why? >>>> BECAUSE IT'S 80*F NOW, and not seeming like it will be dropping again for the most part.....So, they're eating outside every day!!) hahaha.

On my end, I wont be doing the swap until my brakes are on the verge, because I JUST DID ALL my brakes, not much over 5K Mi. ago! BUT, I do need a Master(pretty sure), so I WILL be doing the 96 Tacoma Master and Booster Swap, like 86YotaRob did, first, and then when I need the rest(probably a few years), I MIGHT just swap out the calipers, etc.(Might not need that upgrade, as I don't plan on going NUTS with the wheeling, ARB lockers, Gears, etc...ya know?) I might see how that install goes with the Master/Booster and just stick with the rest of the 87 OEM hardware, .....because yotarob seems to be REALLY happy with just the Master and Booster upgrade! (Now I need to double check with him to make sure he DID NOT do the calipers, etc., too! :confused lol.
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Old Mar 10, 2011 | 10:38 AM
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Now don't ask me why but On that FJ40 I mentioned earlier we got v6 calipers on the front and Chevy 3/4 ton calipers and rotors on the rear The guy that did them did a nice jjob that thing stops on dime too.
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Old Mar 10, 2011 | 08:29 PM
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ok i will definitely be looking into the v6 upgrade. hopefully it is the brakes that is causing my problem, but im 90% sure it is. thanks chef!
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Old Mar 11, 2011 | 06:33 AM
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cross my fingers that that is all it is. If you need a booster let me know first
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Old Mar 18, 2011 | 12:32 PM
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well, of course, its not the brakes. just had to be something else. thats how it is with me. sorry im in a bit of a pissy mood. still dont know whats causing it. im going to replace the axle seal on the back right because thats causing the rear right to stick a little bit, but i dont see how this would make it pull to the left. i also found out my entire front end is about to fall out from under the truck. ah man i love this truck. so much that im going to light it on fire.
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