Originally Posted by 4Hummer
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Albuquerque Jim Reply

So you aren't concerned about keeping our trails open?

Please share your thoughts in this thread Is YotaTech's Tread Lightly member/partner status in Jeopardy?




Like most threads on this board as of late This topic spun way out of control, What started out as a friendly post of 'look at my Truck" turned into a lynch mob for the Thread lightly police,

I opted to stay out of the bashing, and all the YotaTech "Drama" by posting bla bla bla, Nice Pics.

Let he without sin cast the first stone.

 

Slightly off topic but

Am I just crazy or does your statement also make your rig (See your Signiture block for "modified suspension") illegal on TN highways but you turned in somebody else????

 

I just sent pm with specifics but you can look up the code yourself. (TN code annotated title 55-chapter 9-part 215) My truck is legal from what I have read, his was not.

 

Corey beats me, it is a dictatorship dang it. Bob also has sent me threats on a steady basis. I always laugh at democracy rants.

Not sure why this is hard to understand.

If this were a board on sobriety, I would be in error coming on and posting about smoking a joint over the weekend. Even more so if I posted pictures of myself doing it.

An illegal action was taken, it was documented pictographically, then it was passed off as appropriate. Not only is this foolish, it is destructive to every single person who uses 4Wheel drive trails, trail networks and this board.

In Colorado and the whole of the United States, trails are being closed. This comes from irresponsible use AND responsible use. Some people do not want trucks in the back country. If you do not find this disturbing, please buy your own place and start a park, I don't expect an invite, but I hope I don't need one.

 

I'd like to join "Team Companions" when possible. Best part about that old west justice is how far from any real medical care one usually is when out wheelin'.

Anyway, glad we were able to bring the topic back around. I'd like to hear more opinions on the subject of trails that cross waterways. Are you polluting them occasionaly or contributing to irregular water flow by effecting the bottom contour thereby altering their natural course of flow. I'm probably reaching here but this is one topic that has been mentioned in the original thread and now in this one but has yet to be addressed by a stronger number of Tread Lightners.

Andy

 

Rob, I am glad to read what you write.

All action has an effect. All causes have effects. Any wheeling changes something, let's not need that explanation.

The difference, in responsible use and Treading Lightly, impact is:
1. Minimized
2. Prescibed

As such, it has been decided the effects are:
1. Negligible
2. Acceptable.

There are trails in Colorado that cross water, Medano Pass comes to mind. There are 6 or 7 stream crossings where you have to drive across an established, flood prone, rock/sand based stream bed.

Kane Creek in Moab also follows a stream for a ways, again rocky, sandy and flood prone. It is responsible to drive that trail slowly, on the trail, MINIMIZING impact. Anything in Moab is under extra scruntiny.

 

How very timely and this speaks directly to those of you who feel that treading lightly has no consequences.

Mark in AZ writes that the Arizona BLM is closing down one of its most popular trails: https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f139/arizona-martinez-canyon-closure-93124/

Ok folks, time to put your money and words where your mouth is. I strongly urge everyone to take a look at the link above and contribute your time by writing those who hold the power to close or keep open this trail. I have not been there, but one day i am sure i will---provided it's still open

Thanks,
Bob

 

Written.

 

Wow! I am writing now. I LOVE that trail and have wheeled it many times.

 

Interesting discussion. I'm having a hard time understanding some things though. I consider myself an off-road enthusiast, but I also am an environmentalist, and a REI supporter and ex-employee, I support the Tread Lightly ideal, as well as several environmental organizations. Doesn't seem like I can fit in, as most people are taking a very extremist view of the issues. It really rubs me the wrong way to hear folks talk about "greenies" and "environmentalists" with emotion bordering on hatred. Especially when some of these people I would have considered at least casual friends. From what I can understand it's an extremist viewpoint, similar to that of racism, and it just doesn't sit well. It's just my opinion, but I think to actually make a difference people are going to have to get rid of the "us against them" attitude and start figuring out how to compromise and make it work for everyone. I'm pretty well educated on many of the aspects of this issue, and have been active on all sides of the debate at one time or another, so it's not just a blind opinion. Many of you talk about the "offroad community" like your particular group or viewpoint has exclusive rights to the term. I suggest you look at the posts in this thread and in the one that was closed, because that is the real "offroad community", like it or not. The teenage kids, the old farts, the tree huggers, the rednecks; one big happy, dysfunctional family with a thousand different ideas. I'm not saying you shouldn't try to change things, change is always good, but take a step back and try to see things from the other side before you go condemning someone else.
My 2 cents.

BTW it's been 24 years, 4 months and a couple days since my first time behind the wheel off-road, add a couple more years if you count trail rides on motocross bikes. A lot has changed.

 

To all, thanks for all of the on topic, thoughtful posts. Rob, you are right on. I like where this is going now. I hope this thread can set some minds right.

I am not sure if you are trying to provoke me. If you agree or disagree with Tread Lightly. Or, if you actually regret what you posted in the other thread. And, you are now actively trying to make light of your previous sarcastic comments due to the larger public audience.

Either way, I will not respond inappropriately. My hope is that you see that YotaTech has not over reacted in the previous thread and we did not get out of control or create unnecessary drama. I guess if any of these posts create unnecessary drama for you, you have a choice not to read them or post in them.

If you have any actual comments on Tread Lightly, I encourage you to post them here.

 

well said Rob.

MNBOY- as far as "greenies" are concerned, I have yet to met one that didn't want nature to be completely unmolested by human contact. No new homes, roads, schools, bridges, dams, etc. to infinity. That to me is unacceptable.
If you are an exception to my experience, I applaud you & encourage you to let your green friends know we are not the monsters we are made out to be by certain "green" groups.

(well I am sometimes, but not on the trail... )

 

Makes sense. From your first post it seemed as though any mod would be considered illegal. Thanks for educating me!

 

While I do defintiely care what people do on the trail, this is gay, I can't believe someone would call the police on someone because they saw a truck that was too tall on the road.

 

I agree with Ryker, I have yet to meet anyone that I would classify as a "greenie" that was willing to compromise. You see, we ARE compromising by following tread lightly. When you are on a trail and you can SEE some rocks that look like sick obstacles, but you skip them because you do not want to make your own trail get to them, you are compromising, when you get towed over an obstacle that is too hard for you, rather than conveniently drive through the surrounding underbrush to get around it, you are compromising. Every time you pick up trash on the trail, even the biodegradeable type, you're compromising. We are making an effort to keep them happy by keeping the land around a trail clean and untouched, but do they care? No, they want the trail closed, end of story. I have yet to see any environmentalists (greenies) that say, "You know, if you can responsibly use this trail, maintain it, and keep it and the surrounding area clean, I have no problem with you using it."
I am not surprised that everyone feels that it is us against them. As I said in a previous post, there are trails around here that are a constant fight to keep open, even though they are being maintained.

 

I don't know how on earth I'm provoking you by saying I didn't want to jump in on the thread lightly bashing thread. I instead opted to stay out of it.


I don't see how bashing than banning a poster is helpfull, this kid is just going to say "Screw Yotatech" and go right back out and do it again. Education and awareness is the Key. Not the Pirate 4x4 attitude of GET HIM.

As per my stance on Thread Lightly
If you look at this pic. http://www.mudrunner.ca/ardbeg_2005/...001510_jpg.jpg

The sticker on the Bottom left under 4Runner Logo is the Northern Lights/OF4WD logo. Thats the Ontario Canada division of Thread Lighty and federation of 4WD Recreationists. I'm both a member, supporter, and firm beliver.
http://www.nl4x4.ca/

I personally choose to educate new members, not Stay YOUR BANNED from our club for going off the trail.

Nuff Said.

 

Ahhh, but you left out some stuff. The first part of the thread was just saying that he should stay on the trail, and not go into the creek like he did. I will admit that the posters who said that were a little too harsh, but they weren't attacking him.

That part came later after he started defending his actions with claims that it was fine in Montana to do that. The flaming got really bad once a bunch of other folks jumped in and said: Yeah, its fine to go off the trail, i do it all the time, and you all are over reacting. It was total BS, and it got shut down, as any flaming thread should be.

I'm glad that you support it, but i have to ask why you are getting all sarcastic. We are being a bit extreme, but the times call for extremism, the situation is critical, and if we don't fight now, there won't be wheeling anymore.

And btw, for whoever it was that said they called the cops about a truck that was too lifted, let the cops take care of it. You have to report what goes on in the back country becasue there aren't usually police back there. And if you were just posting to make a sarcastic jab at those of us who report off trail violations, you should do us a favor and can it.

 

"Tread Lightly" is purely common sense. If you dont see tire tracks, you shouldn't be there.....

I am always sure to stay on the trail...some places here in the So Cal desert it does not matter, but I try not to run over the sparse vegitation.

 

4Hummer, this thread wasn't posted for you and I to banter. But, I have to say that sometimes I find it difficult to translate your sardonic wit into a meaningful response. But, that's probably just me.

I am glad we see eye to eye, that's one of the reasons I started this tread.

As a representative of Northern Lights/OF4WD, perhaps you can share some thoughts on the issues your organization deals with in Canada with trail closures and the like.

 

So, it is okay to break some laws but not others and it is okay to report some violations of law but not others. People with lifted trucks on public highways may be breaing the law. If they are breaking the law and putting people in danger at 70 mph what makes you think they are not breaking the law off road by running over frogs at 5mph? In a way I am helping the tread lightly movement by reporting illegal vehicles which in turn helps keep these law breakers from building their vehicles that can be taken off road or by helping to close down 4x4 shops that knowingly build vehicles which violate law.