Originally Posted by Matt16

(yeah, I know they were made by Dana, but presumably, the metal is Toyota spec)

Originally Posted by Matt16

Sure, apples to apples(ie: Toyota to Toyota),

As I've repeated, why are Toys more susceptible to rust?

Originally Posted by Flash412

Um, NO. Toyota is ISO certified and uses ISO certified suppliers. ISO certified suppliers have been certified by the International Organization for Standardization to follow defined quality procedures. Toyota does business with these suppliers on the assumption that they DO qualify for their ISO certification and DO follow their defined and audited (by a third party) ISO processes. Toyota does this so that they do NOT have to QC and inspect all the incoming parts. That is how ISO works.

In the end, however, you are correct that Toyota has a responsibility to the consumer that bad parts do not get into their vehicles. Toyota is going above and beyond with their buy-back and repair programs. You can bet your ass that when this sad event is finally finished (in court), it is the supplier of the defective parts who will bear the cost of the entire ordeal.

Back when I was employed, I was involved in detective work finding the source of a problem. It turned out that a supplier of ours had one employee working one of three shifts who was not following a certain procedure. As a result, more than a hundred thousand units of a certain product had to be recalled. A small percentage actually required rework. The ISO certified supplier for which the employee worked did not even bother to fight the request for $29 million, IIRC, to cover the costs of the recall and rework.

Originally Posted by dyldopolis

I dont know of hardley any Toyotas around here that have rust. a friend of mine has 3. an 83 truck, and 86 truck, and an 88 Tercel. none of them have a spot of rust on them. also, the metal thickness is great. the bodies of Toyotas are way stronger than any ford or chevy I've ever seen. the only reason they appear to be rustier or weaker is because they are usually driven way harder for a lot longer.

Originally Posted by gary96360

toyotas have the flimsyist sheet metal i have ever seen. you can dent it by pushing against it with your finger. i still dont understand how a 96 f150 weighs a little bit less than a 93 yota and the fords metal is much thicker and heavier

Originally Posted by 85-in-va

the main reason 79-88 toyota beds rust is because of the two piece design, water dirt and salt get between the two and the cancer begins, as for the frames, toyota has a boxed in frame which makes getting the mud and salt out very difficult which causes them to rust from the inside out, most american trucks have an open frame which is easy to clean.