Better then Seafoam? Water...
#1
Better then Seafoam? Water...
Just as the title says...
I tried a trick over the weekend for my 22RE, A trick that I have heard of for years but never actually tried it myself. I first heard of "The Water Trick" back in college from one of my automotive professors and have heard it various times through other people and racers/engine builders.
It involves pouring water into a running engine (small amounts down the carburetor or throttle body) in an effort to clean any carbon deposits within the combustion chambers. As my professor said the water "cracks" the carbon build up.
I have had some major engine/coolant issues recently due to another reoccurring issue (maybe one day I'll do a write up on that), because of that it lead me to believe that what I have heard for years might actually be true.
Take a look at the pictures below, this is what happens when coolant is dumped into the cylinders due to a head failure of it's coolant passages. The coolant, because it has water in it, essentially steam cleaned everything in my #1 cylinder. It looks brand new compared to the other cylinders and valves.
This is obviously an uncontrolled dumping of coolant into the cylinder and this is actually very damaging to an engine as coolant will break down engine oil very quickly and can easily damage the crankshaft bearings or anything else it comes into contact with.
What I'm saying is that, when it comes to cleaning out carbon deposits in the combustion chamber and on the valves I think I achieved the same results, if not better, then what numerous cans of Seafoam has done for my 22RE by simply using water instead. A gallon of distilled water cost me $0.89 at Walmart, compared to $8 - $10 for a can of Seafoam.
What happens is that; because of the heat and pressures in the cylinders the water vaporizes into steam and much like a pressure washer the carbon build up cracks and gets blasted off. Refer to this link posted earlier this year, DEATHCOUGAR pretty much summed it up and has had prior experience.
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f5/a...-water-216970/
For all you Seafoam lovers out there I still like the product myself and will still use it, especially in the gas tank. I can honesty say from my experience that I felt more noticeable results in acceleration and smoother idle from trying the water trick over the weekend then any other additive in the past. It also lowered the pinging a little more. This is easily caused by carbon buildup which can create hot spots in the cylinders.
I even did this on my 2000 Nissan Frontier. I have had this truck since February and have Seafoamed it a couple of times since I bought it. The Seafoam really helped but after doing the water trick I was really impressed. The acceleration off the line has never felt better. This is no joke, and this only tells me that this truck had 10 years of carbon buildup, most likely on the valves since it accelerates a lot better now.
How much? Not much, probably a few ounces at the most, very very slowly, with some time in between as I held the idle speed up, probably around 1500 - 2000 RPM. Don't automatically run out for the biggest Aquafina bottle you can find and start pouring it in, it must be very controlled.
I'm not telling you to do this by me posting this thread. I'm not saying to not do this. Some of you just might think I'm crazy.
You can decide for yourself

Look at the difference between cylinder #1 & #2.

Look at the difference between the valves in cylinder #1 and the others...
I tried a trick over the weekend for my 22RE, A trick that I have heard of for years but never actually tried it myself. I first heard of "The Water Trick" back in college from one of my automotive professors and have heard it various times through other people and racers/engine builders.
It involves pouring water into a running engine (small amounts down the carburetor or throttle body) in an effort to clean any carbon deposits within the combustion chambers. As my professor said the water "cracks" the carbon build up.
I have had some major engine/coolant issues recently due to another reoccurring issue (maybe one day I'll do a write up on that), because of that it lead me to believe that what I have heard for years might actually be true.
Take a look at the pictures below, this is what happens when coolant is dumped into the cylinders due to a head failure of it's coolant passages. The coolant, because it has water in it, essentially steam cleaned everything in my #1 cylinder. It looks brand new compared to the other cylinders and valves.
This is obviously an uncontrolled dumping of coolant into the cylinder and this is actually very damaging to an engine as coolant will break down engine oil very quickly and can easily damage the crankshaft bearings or anything else it comes into contact with.
What I'm saying is that, when it comes to cleaning out carbon deposits in the combustion chamber and on the valves I think I achieved the same results, if not better, then what numerous cans of Seafoam has done for my 22RE by simply using water instead. A gallon of distilled water cost me $0.89 at Walmart, compared to $8 - $10 for a can of Seafoam.
What happens is that; because of the heat and pressures in the cylinders the water vaporizes into steam and much like a pressure washer the carbon build up cracks and gets blasted off. Refer to this link posted earlier this year, DEATHCOUGAR pretty much summed it up and has had prior experience.
https://www.yotatech.com/forums/f5/a...-water-216970/
For all you Seafoam lovers out there I still like the product myself and will still use it, especially in the gas tank. I can honesty say from my experience that I felt more noticeable results in acceleration and smoother idle from trying the water trick over the weekend then any other additive in the past. It also lowered the pinging a little more. This is easily caused by carbon buildup which can create hot spots in the cylinders.
I even did this on my 2000 Nissan Frontier. I have had this truck since February and have Seafoamed it a couple of times since I bought it. The Seafoam really helped but after doing the water trick I was really impressed. The acceleration off the line has never felt better. This is no joke, and this only tells me that this truck had 10 years of carbon buildup, most likely on the valves since it accelerates a lot better now.
How much? Not much, probably a few ounces at the most, very very slowly, with some time in between as I held the idle speed up, probably around 1500 - 2000 RPM. Don't automatically run out for the biggest Aquafina bottle you can find and start pouring it in, it must be very controlled.
I'm not telling you to do this by me posting this thread. I'm not saying to not do this. Some of you just might think I'm crazy.
You can decide for yourself


Look at the difference between cylinder #1 & #2.

Look at the difference between the valves in cylinder #1 and the others...
#2
Water/coolant entering the combustion chamber basically "Steam Blasts" the piston cylinder ect.

Its not good for the cylinder walls. The water will wash the oil film away that the piston/rings ride on for lubrication and can score the cylinder along with excessive wear...
Water will also cause little rust pits in the cylinder walls....
Water is also much thinner than oil and will slip past the rings into the crank case... mixing with oil and diluting it too thin and will also cause rust pits and scars in bearings and journals....
I donnot like sea foam either..

Its not good for the cylinder walls. The water will wash the oil film away that the piston/rings ride on for lubrication and can score the cylinder along with excessive wear...
Water will also cause little rust pits in the cylinder walls....
Water is also much thinner than oil and will slip past the rings into the crank case... mixing with oil and diluting it too thin and will also cause rust pits and scars in bearings and journals....
I donnot like sea foam either..
Last edited by Kiroshu; Sep 7, 2010 at 03:02 PM.
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#5
From what I remember it's called brown gas, separating water in to hydrogen and oxygen though electrolysis. But this is off topic.
I have also heard of using water, it would be interesting to know the amount of water or seafoam for that matter that would cause damage
I have also heard of using water, it would be interesting to know the amount of water or seafoam for that matter that would cause damage
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#11
Alchohol and water injection is not an uncommon thing. In small amounts if atomized with everything else water will not cause an issue. Performance engines do it to reduce combustion temperatures. True a large amount of water in a hurry will hydrolock your engine. When water gets hot enough it separates into hydrogen and oxygen. Just ask a blacksmith why they throw water onto the forge.
#12
I have heard of tranny fluid but not coolant in the oil. Also heard of putting tranny fluid into your gas tank.
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#14
i stand corrected, yes ATF not coolant, coolant will only make the situation worse lol
#15
i heard of that truck from an old man. its one of those last ditch things, where you got a vehicle that is essentially rolling scrap metal and you just need it to roll a little longer.
i tried it on an old tercel with a major preignition issue due to 400,000 miles of use and the previous owner leaving out the air filter.
water did not work for me.
i tried it on an old tercel with a major preignition issue due to 400,000 miles of use and the previous owner leaving out the air filter.
water did not work for me.
#16
Water or SeaFoam? Let's see...
Yep! Been there done that!
https://www.yotatech.com/50542366-post16.html
Yep! Been there done that!
https://www.yotatech.com/50542366-post16.html
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