Hello, I have recently purchased a 1986 4-Runner (22re). I purchased it with a "blown h-gasket". I found later that the timing chain had worn through the cover thus allowing water nto the oil. This is my 3rd, first generation 4runner, and my third head gasket replacement, but first timing chain/cover replacement. I have read many, many helpful posts on this great website along the way. I have seen many conflicting reports on gasket vs. no gasket on the oil pan. So which is it? I want to get feed back on both sides of the argument since i am reay to re-install the pan. Thanks!Eric

 

Ultimately it's whatever a person wants to do, but typically gaskets do not last as long and eventually develop pesky leaks. Considering the chore it is to fix that with the diff in the way, many choose to use FIPG. It lasts forever, if done right. It's more tolerant to expansion and contraction. Just my opinion, but also from experience.

 

Toyota black FIPG

Oil pan gaskets are useless

 

I did mine with FIPG . A little over a year since I did it and no leaks yet. Just make sure and clean up the surface of the engine and the oil pan real well before you apply the FIPG.

A buddy of mine used a cork gasket from Napa and had nothing but trouble until he tossed it. We torqued all the bolts to spec for an even seal and it still didn't hold.

Good luck!

 

go to TOYOTA and get the good stuff, you will blow another head gasket before you have to change your FIPG pan seal

 

Thanks for the responses. Stupid question..FIPG is gasket maker? and what kind? I have Ultra Gray RTV. Sorry the FIPG acromym is throwing me.

 

FIPG = Form in place gasket, basically RTV - Toyota sells its own FIPG that you can get from most dealers.

If you use the non-Toyota RTV make sure and use the black ultra-hi temp. Permatex is good.

 

I read posts that supported the Ultra Gray permatex and I used it for the timing chain cover. Was that a wise choice (for the t-cover)?

 

I think any hi-temp RTV will do the trick. The ultra-black has "oil resistant properties", or that's what Permatex claims.

I'm sure the ultra gray is fine. On my timing chain cover I used a paper gasket in addition to FIPG and haven't had a problem. I don't really know if there is truly a 'right way'. Just a lot of opinions.

 

OK thanks.

 

.....anyone else?

 

For what is worth I just got off the phone with my Toyota Service manger friend .

She says the FIPG is all they use on oil pans and water pumps .

Don`t know if that helps but I will be using it.

 

Earlier 22R engines used the gasket (84 or 83 and older), later ones used FIPG. That is why gasket sets will include an oil pan gasket since they don't know what year engine the kit will be used on. I used black FIPG on mine and no leaks at all (and it had FIPG on it when I took it apart). Supposedly the Right Stuff (http://www.google.com/search?q=right+stuff+gasket+maker) is a good substitute.

 

FIPG ALL THE WAY!!!!

I just tore my 86 22RE down, the pan was still leak free, thanks to FIPG

Toyota P/N 00295-00103 for oil pan and camshaft housing (Black FIPG)
Cost: $15 (you will have some left over after you do the pan for other stuff also)

 

FIPG, black.

 

I can see it now....The excitement of a brand new tube of FIPG black ready to fix all of your leaking/sealing issues



wait I can see it

 

FIPG black.

but i have heard good stuff about the ultra gray too.

 

I just picked up that little beauty, to the tune of $18 for Toyota...ouch. I used the ultra Gray RTV on the timing
cover..am I safe there?

 

Yeah, I think they are very similar. My 22R-E came with grey originally, but the black and the grey are both oil resistant anaerobic silicones. Not really sure of the difference as they both have the same description for their use from Toyota

 

would the Toyota FIPG be ok for the head gasket/intake too or would I use something different?