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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 06:57 PM
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How do i get more horsepower?

I have a 1989 toyota 4x4. its the 22re 5 speed all stock engine wise. i was wondering if there is any tuning i can do to get more power? Anything i can buy that is less than like 50 bucks that is not a chip? anything i can do to get even a little more power.
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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 06:59 PM
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Lets see, 50 bucks gets you a set of plugs and an air filter, go for it.
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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 07:17 PM
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go to exhaust shop get an intake made buy a k&n drop in and block off your egr stuff until you need smog
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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 07:27 PM
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Woozy welcome to Yotatech. There is not much you can do with fifty bucks. A header, a cam, an exhaust to start. There goes the fifty. Use the search engine here, it will help you along your way, good luck.
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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 07:32 PM
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from a guy who has all those installed ^^ how much of a difference was it really? worth the extra grand or so dumped in the engine? can you really feel the difference. or are you only just a 1/2 cars length faster then the next guy?
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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 07:38 PM
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I could feel a difference with each mod, but thats as far as I will go. And everyone is faster than me. I drive like an old lady.
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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 07:47 PM
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more like able to keep up with traffic better? im just asking. been kicking around the idea of doing a few things to be able to keep up ok. this stock 22re trying to push these little 31's just seems like its boggish. did the fuel filter, plugs, wires, air filter was sucked up in the intake. changed that. can rev decent just feels like shes got a vagina instead of brass balls.

gutless pig. did a valve adjustment since she ticks horribly when she's cold. helped a little with the valve tick but still boggish.

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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 09:29 PM
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Put $50 in gas in your friend's truck and drive it around for an hour.
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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 11:46 PM
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Welcome to YT. I won't bust your chops on searching but here you go:

Horsepower – More Power

Thanks to DRM for saving this, and Tim for giving the advice.

Originally posted by DRM
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"Ok ready, first pull off the efi fuse for a couple of seconds, then reinstall it. Grab some Autolite #65 plugs, and side gap them at .048. Set the valve clearance to .011 cold. Install the factory carbed thermostat {Pappy: it's a 180* vs. 190*). Adjust the AFM 3 teeth rich (under 5000 a.s.l.). Start the motor, let idle till you reach operating temp. Set the timing at 16* "not short circuted," {Pappy: about the same as 8* shorted} then take it for a putt, re check the timing, and enjoy. Leave the airbox alone, for it's not a cause of starvation on a stocker, and don't worry about the muffler for now. If you're going to modify the exhaust, start with a header, and 2.5" headpipe."

A follow-up from later that day:

"... you pull the EFI fuse to start the ECU's regathering of fuel mixture readings, because you are altering them via the AFM. The #65's are a hotter plug, and will in this case create a more efficient burn. You WILL NOT detonate when the timing is set 16* NOT SHORT CIRCUTED, because the end reading when short circuted will be 8* advanced. The afm adjustment enrichens the motor aproximately 3cc. This is necessary due to the timing advance, which requires a proper mixture."

I found the AFM 3 teeth to be too rich for my high desert home (driveway is 5200 ft) and have backed it down to 1 tooth rich.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 02:57 PM
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thanks teuf and 94 toyota. i forgot to mention it has a header and a flowmaster exhaust. it has 35s and the little 4 banger feels like it needs some help. I do have a k and n filter and my dad works at an auto parts store so we were thinking about putting that in. Has anyone tried the chips they sell? i found one specifically for toyotas for 60 bucks online and i was wondering if they work.
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Originally Posted by woozy93
thanks teuf and 94 toyota. i forgot to mention it has a header and a flowmaster exhaust. it has 35s and the little 4 banger feels like it needs some help. I do have a k and n filter and my dad works at an auto parts store so we were thinking about putting that in. Has anyone tried the chips they sell? i found one specifically for toyotas for 60 bucks online and i was wondering if they work.
What gear ratios? 35's will like 5.29s but some run 4.88s and report they aren't bad. 4.88s came stock on certain factory stock trucks. So they maybe a price effective option to a full regear.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 03:15 PM
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idk what gear ratio it has. i know it has limited slip so im pretty sure its not a stock rear end. im gonna switch to 33s soon tho. are there gears i could get that would give me better mpg and more power? if not what about more power and the same mpg? what would you regear to? and how much does that cost?
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by muddpigg
What gear ratios? 35's will like 5.29s but some run 4.88s and report they aren't bad. 4.88s came stock on certain factory stock trucks. So they maybe a price effective option to a full regear.

What about a cam? how much are those? and how much more power do they give?
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I think your using the same thoughts for larger tires that v-8 guys use. Engine power equals larger tire size. I've seen jeep guys (ok I6 guys too) and ford run 35" tires and 3.93 gears. Our trucks just don't work like that gears are what turn our tire.

This is posted in either the faqs or as sticky in the top of the 86-95 forumn.

A cam will definately increase power. I've ran a couple different ones hard to tell how much over stock it alone added as I did multiple upgrades at once. Shoot a tired old 22RE won't have the power of a fresh rebuild.
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 03:57 PM
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i heard about the 20r head gives the 22re more air flow
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jjearl
i heard about the 20r head gives the 22re more air flow
Is suppose to but after searching it is 20R head is not compatible with the tall 22RE block, saturn stamped, which I have. Was bummed to learn this

No it is compatible with the short 22R block but most short 22R blocks lack the factory boss for the knock sensor. Not impossible to overcome but the post I read from guys that did it requires lots of trial and error.

Some older celicas like 83 had 22RE with the short block so may be very possible to find the needed block to make the 20R/22RE hybrid but the 20R head will require some TIG work and resurfacing. Plus additional holes drilled and tapped to recieve the EFI intake.

Quite doable with time, money, skills, shop, and base knowledge. Wish I had them all
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by jjearl
i heard about the 20r head gives the 22re more air flow
using a 20r head boosts your compression and the stock 20r manifold has better air flow than a stock 22r manifold
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by muddpigg
I think your using the same thoughts for larger tires that v-8 guys use. Engine power equals larger tire size. I've seen jeep guys (ok I6 guys too) and ford run 35" tires and 3.93 gears. Our trucks just don't work like that gears are what turn our tire.

This is posted in either the faqs or as sticky in the top of the 86-95 forumn.

A cam will definately increase power. I've ran a couple different ones hard to tell how much over stock it alone added as I did multiple upgrades at once. Shoot a tired old 22RE won't have the power of a fresh rebuild.
so what gears would you reccomend if i want more power? and is there a certain cam that you know of that isnt too expensive thats good?
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 07:10 PM
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5.29s gears

cam: Delta cams 260* or EB 261*
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jjearl
i heard about the 20r head gives the 22re more air flow
Originally Posted by muddpigg
Is suppose to but after searching it is 20R head is not compatible with the tall 22RE block, saturn stamped, which I have. Was bummed to learn this

No it is compatible with the short 22R block but most short 22R blocks lack the factory boss for the knock sensor. Not impossible to overcome but the post I read from guys that did it requires lots of trial and error.

Some older celicas like 83 had 22RE with the short block so may be very possible to find the needed block to make the 20R/22RE hybrid but the 20R head will require some TIG work and resurfacing. Plus additional holes drilled and tapped to recieve the EFI intake.

Quite doable with time, money, skills, shop, and base knowledge. Wish I had them all
Originally Posted by 94toyota
using a 20r head boosts your compression and the stock 20r manifold has better air flow than a stock 22r manifold
Originally Posted by woozy93
so what gears would you reccomend if i want more power? and is there a certain cam that you know of that isnt too expensive thats good?

What? Is the search box broke? Don't care to look, just post the same Q everybody else does, A DAY?

1st off, the block was DE-DECKED in 85. So the RE IS the short block.

2nd, 20R means NO EFI!


Y'all got any other gems we should know about?

Like how you don't need gears with a 500 horsepower 22RE with 44's?

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