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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 07:37 AM
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front axle swap issues

New to the forum and could use some help. I did an axle swap on my 88 with an 85 straight and for some reason I get a death wobble at around 40mph?????
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 07:44 AM
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Assuming everything is tight up front (bushings, shackles, bolts, etc.), then caster angle is most likely the issue:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/Shims.shtml#FAQ1
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 08:08 AM
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All is tight and I also installed pinion angle wedges and a cross stabilizer but she goes wild.
The link is great thanks
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Old Mar 15, 2009 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 6x6 crazy
All is tight and I also installed pinion angle wedges and a cross stabilizer but she goes wild.
The link is great thanks
On the front axle, CASTER angle is 100X more important that pinion angle. You need to have the caster angle correct first (assuming you want to drive faster than 35MPH), then worry about pinion angle. And you don't just install some wedges/shims, you need to measure the caster angle first and then figure out what angle shim is needed to correct the caster angle to stock:

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/Shims.shtml#FAQ1

Front axle pinion and caster angle considerations:
For a leaf-sprung front axle, you can use the above measurements, but they only consider the pinion/driveshaft angles. IMHO, you really want to first address steering angles up front (unless you have a trail-only rig) first then worry about pinion angles. Afterall, if you have to choose between having proper steering geometry or a proper pinion angle (so that you can use 4WD at speed), I would choose proper steering angle any day? Why? Well if you can't drive the truck in a straight line on the road, having 4WD available at high speed becomes a moot point. I have had bad caster angle on my truck and I can tell you that the term "death wobble" is aptly named! When that front end starts hopping all over the road and seems to get progressively worse as you drive is not fun. Give me good solid steering anyway and I can live with a little front driveshaft vibration if I need to use 4WD at higher speeds every once in a while.
So how do you measure the steering caster angle? Best bet is to go to an alignment shop and have them put your truck on the alignment machine and give you a printout of the angles. You'll get a list of toe-in, camber and caster as-measured and they may tell you what the angles should be. If not, consult your owners manual or a good repair manual for your vehicle. As far as what angle to use, its a direct relationship between the number of degrees your caster angle is off and the angle of the shim. For example if your vehicle specs +2° of caster and you are at +5° or -1°, you'll need a 3° shim, and just install it in the proper orientation to correct the angle.
Here is a link to Toyota solid front axle steering alignment specifications. On the Toyota front axle, an angle of approx. 6° up (front of perch higher than the back)on the spring perch provides a decent caster angle.
It is not uncommon for the caster angle to be off different amounts on each side of the axle. If so, this means that the axle housing itself is not quite aligned side to side or that it is slightly bent. Best bet is to get a shim to correct the average of the two angle errors. Short of cutting off one steering knuckle and turning it to align with the opposite side, its unlikely that you'll be able to "twist" the housing by using two different angle shims.
And if you want to correct BOTH the caster and pinion angles at the same time, the only way to do that properly is to cut and rotate the steering knuckles on the axle to set the proper caster angle and if needed cut and relocate the spring perches (or add shims) to set the proper pinion angle. Here is a writeup on doing this modification on a Toyota solid front axle. On some axles, like the Dana 44, you may find that one of the spring perches is cast into the side of the differential housing and is therefore difficult to modify. In that case, you can either use two shims to change the pinion angle, or cut/relocate the separate perch and then add a single shim to the cast perch to set the pinion angle.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 07:21 PM
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I accidentally welded my new spring perches on the front axle parallel with the steering knuckle race holes.

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I'm wondering, 4crawler, if you can tell me what shims I need to correct my caster? I get terrible death wobble at 45mpg right now. I've been planning on buying some lift blocks from you as well, but these are my priority right now so I can drive safely again.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 07:26 PM
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See below for a quick measurement to you take to get an idea:
- http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/ForSale/Shims.shtml#FAQ1

Not sure what all you did to the axle, but if the knuckles have been moved, then the above reference measurement may not be accurate. In that case, have an alignment shop check the caster angle and tell you what it is.

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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 09:53 PM
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hahaha, we'll see if firestone still honors my lifetime alignment
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